Rector of Llangwyfan 1830 - 1857

[Rol]

Hello Jo and Wilcoxon,


Belated thanks for those two posts and for the accompanying URLs.

That web-based self-publishing site looks interesting.  I suppose the benefit of posting (relatively short) chunks of material on RootsChat,  rather than there,  is that R/C has reached critical mass as a magnet for co-operative local and family history research -- and so is perhaps more likely to draw Google visits from the right "target market".  But I can see that Scribd has a lot of merit if one wants to publish longer pieces on the web.

Wikipedia is full of surprises:  I had no idea that article had just been put up about the Anwyls.  James Frankcom,  the chap who wrote the piece,  seems to be a big heraldry enthusiast who has written a fair bit of Wikipedia material about early and medieval Wales.  Personally I could do without the stuff there about  Mr Evan Anwyl  of Ty Mawr,  Tywyn,  b.1943, "educated at Tywyn Grammar School and University of Wales Aberystwyth (BSc 1967, DipEd 1968)",  being

current Head of the House of Aberffraw and de jure Prince of Gwynedd as the senior direct male line descendant of Owain Gwynedd

-- which does come over as even more Pooteresque than Ruritanian -- especially as many Welsh princely successions were settled by mutilation and fratricide rather than by the finer points of the Laws of Hywel Dda!

Frankcom appears to have sourced his article chiefly to Lewys Dwnn,  Yorke's Royal Tribes and the efforts of Burke.  These are all doubtless very worthy authorities;  but the best researched work that I have ever come across on the Anwyls is that of Philip H Lawson of Chester,  as published and extended by Margery M Anwyl (an Anwyl by marriage) from the USA,  in two typescript legal-size volumes under the title "Anwyl Families".  (There is a set at the NLW,  though despite it having an ISBN the library decided to accession it as if it were a copy of an MS,  in the "NLW Ex" series.)  A proportion of Lawson's original research papers also came to the NLW.  For full info see this link to the catalogue.

The source citations in the footnotes are outstandingly detailed and impressive.  I wish I had a copy.  It would be a good companion for that visit to Caernarfon RO!

On the Llanhaeadr MIs,  Jo,  if you can verify them in the way you suggest,  that would be very useful.


Rol

[Jo Harding]

Hello Rol,

The Wikipaedia piece on the Anwyl family makes for interesting reading. I gather for you personally!

I have sent an E-Mail to Reverend Williams, the present incumbent of St Dyfnog. This has asked about the Monumental Inscription(s). Also, any other information he may have.

I should prefer to visit and see for myself! It could be a good reason to go back there. The church is one of the unknown wonders of Wales. The waters at St Dyfnog's Well are to be recommended too.

Shall advise you of the outcome.

Jo.

[Jo Harding]

Just an update on my last post.

I sent an E-Mail to the Reverend Williams who is the present incumbent in St Dyfnog. I have not heard from him but did receive a delivery warning message that the message had been delayed. Problems with the server at that end.

I shall give it a while longer and try again.

The alternative would be for me to visit myself, a good excuse!

Jo

[wilcoxon]

Re Peter Williams ( see Reply 3 )

Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries
North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Tuesday, February 28, 1837
On the 21st inst in the 81 st year of his age, at the Rectory Llanbedrog, the Rev Peter Williams DD deservedly revered and honoured for the faithful and efficient discharge of the most important responsiblities of a life devoted to the sevice of God and the welfare of man.
The deceased was formerly headmaster of Bangor Grammar School and Chaplian to Dr Majendic ? the late Bishop of this diocese,  He was also a County Magistrate.

[wilcoxon]

Going back to the Anwyl Roberts`s ,
I did a search on the 19th century newspapers site, just for Anwyl Roberts, and there are many `hits`.
I don`t which are linked, but these are a few I found.


North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Saturday, July 24, 1858
Llandudno Directory St George`s Church Llandudno
Rev W Anwyl Roberts BA Curate

LLANDUDNO
North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Saturday, January 15, 1859;
Rev Wm Anwyl Roberts , respected curate of the parish of Llandudno was presented a gold watch by the lady members , the proceedings took place on New Years day. An address was read with words to the effect that it was two years since he commenced administrations to the parish.

DENBIGH
North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Saturday, October 22, 1864
St Pauls, Bryncoedifor.
Thanksgiving services were  given , and the    the Rev W  Anwyl Roberts, curate of Dolgelley preached.

Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries
North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Saturday, August 10, 1867;
On the 31st ult aged 73 Margaret , relict of the late Rev W A Anwyl Roberts, B A Carreg- Lleon Nr Llanwrst, incumbent of Capel Garmon and Penmachno.
============================================

HARVEST THANKSGIVING SERVICES
North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Saturday, October 25, 1873
Llanfairmathafarneithaf Anglesey.
Rev Anwyl Roberts MA rector of the parish read the prayers.

There are many more reports regarding Rev Anwyl Roberts, the above vicar of  Anglesey from 1874 to  1875 regarding his drunkeness  and misconduct.
It seems that frequently there was no one at services apart from the vicar and his clerk.
The principal landowner in the parish , Mrs Lewis died and according to custom her funeral service was expected to held the following Sunday. A very large congregation assembled, but - no vicar !!!.
Charges were brought against him and reports were made in national papers headed the Anglesey Clerical Scandal.
To be fair there here was another clergyman charged at the same time with falsly registering the death of his daughters illegitimate child.
Nothing at all to do with our subject, but just a bit of scandal 

 

[Rol]

Some great entertainment there,  Wilcoxon -- that Gale newspaper site so often seems to bring up golden nuggets!

As I think you realised,  these Anwyl Robertses came from another family -- different Robertses,  at least.  In case it could prove helpful,  albeit not strictly on topic,  here is some info and reference material to help distinguish them from the Goppa clan.

The William Anwyl Roberts under attack for drinking was alone (and not kept company by a bottle I hope) at Carreg Lleon on census night in 1881;  he still described himself as Rector of Llanddyfnan [Anglesey],  though the FamilySearch transcription (perhaps the enumerator?) has that parish's name slightly misspelt.  He was born 1826 (per PR),  was married in 1860 and died 1888 (per Griffith, as cited below, 375).  He was a son of the man of the same names who was the clergyman at Capel Garmon and Penmachno -- who in turn was a son of the William Roberts M.D. who married the heiress of the last Anwyl of Plas yn Rhos,  Capel Garmon.  Some relevant PR extracts appear on the Melin-y-coed website,  about three quarters of the way down the (very long) page.  I believe Carreg Lleon formed part of the Plas yn Rhos estate.

Dr. William Roberts came from a prominent medical family in Eifionydd,  long the tenants (and briefly  the owners after William married money) of Isallt Fawr,  on the Brynkir estate in Llanfihangel y Pennant,  S-E Caernarfonshire.  His branch of the Isallt family mostly adopted Anwyl Roberts as a double surname -- which was not a style that the Vale of Clwyd people we have been discussing seem to have used with any consistency.

Details of the Anwyls of Plas yn Rhos and of their Anwyl Roberts descendants are to be found near the beginning of vol II of Anwyl Families* (for which see Reply 18 above).   Page 359 in Griffith's Pedigrees covers Isallt in some detail,  but with quite a few errors (some corrected on pp.52-53 of Colin Gresham's excellent book on land tenure in Eifionydd);  page 375 of Griffith goes on to focus more specifically on the Anwyl Roberts branch.  The Isallt family is also covered extensively by T. Ceiri Griffith,  in tables 6, 7 and 8 of his Achau rhai o deuluoedd hen Siroedd Caernarfon,  Meirionnydd a Threfaldwyn (2003,  ISBN 0 9546367 0 8,  privately published and distributed).


Rol



* To be accurate,  on pp.89-93 -- ADDED 21 June 2009.

(The Roberts of Isallt and Anwyl Roberts information appears on p.93 and is chiefly sourced to Hanes Teulu Isallt by R I Jones ("Alltud Eifion"),  published 1884,  which was probably also one of J E Griffith's principal sources for this family in his Pedigrees.)

[Rol]

WHERE DID THE GREAT NEPHEW SERVE AS CURATE?


Here is another little jigsaw piece about Robert Lloyd Anwyl Roberts (the Great Nephew).  It provides direct evidence about where he did,  in fact,  serve his clerical apprenticeship -- or at least some of it.

The source is a reference within the  Clergy of the Church of England database (website under long term construction),  taken from NLW B/SB/6,  a "subscription book" (recording new priests' subscription to the Thirty-Nine Articles) for the Diocese of Bangor.  It shows that the Great Nephew was appointed a stipendiary curate at Gyffylliog in 1821 -- i.e. the year after he took his BA degree.  (It is good fortune to find him via the CCEd,  because work on the North Wales dioceses seems to be only in its early stages.)

I am not familiar enough with such records to know whether the stated place of subscription is necessarily proof that the curacy related to that same parish -- though my guess would be that he did serve at Gyffylliog.  The listing for that parish shows another curate subscribing there in 1824,  which does prompt some doubt;  however,  a visitation book (clergy call book or "liber cleri") for the Deanery of Dyffryn Clwyd in 1826,  listing all the clerical office holders there at that date,  seems to confirm that the Great Nephew was then still in place at Gyffylliog as curate:  NLW B/VSR/5.

Another curate subscribed in 1830,  presumably reflecting the Great Nephew's departure to Llangwyfan.

Here's the link:  http://ccedb.cch.kcl.ac.uk/jsp/locations/index.jsp?locUnitKey=26303 .  (Scroll down to 1821,  then to 1826.)


Rol

[Jo Harding]

Hello to all,

I have received the details of the monumental inscritions from the present incumbent at St Dyfnog, Llanrhaeadr Yng Nghinmeirch.

Information is as follows:

Wall plaque on south wall. Written as inscribed on the plaque.

Rev. Robert Roberts Died 1775
Rev. Robert Roberts
Margaret Roberts Died 1835.
Margaret Amelia. Died 1838.

Underneath
is interred the Body
of the Revd Robert Roberts A.M.
late vicar of this parish
who died Dec. 8th 1775. Aged 56.
Also interred are the Remains
of the Reverend Robert Roberts,
of BRYN MORWYDD. A.M.
Nephew to the above who was likewise Vicar of this Parish
31 years. Aged 70
Together with those of his widow
MARGARET ROBERTS
Second daughter of the late
John Prichard Esqre of Dinam Hall
in the County of Anglesey
who died October 26th 1835
Aged 80
Also Margaret Amelia, their
Granddaughter, who died July
the 8th 1838, aged 13 days

Note states, "(Ref D.R.Thomas "1754 ROBERTS, Robert, AM
                        1776 Roberts, John A.M. Archdeacon of Merioneth 1785
                         1786 ROBERTS, Robert A.M. married Margaret, sister of Owen
                         Holland, Esq, of Conwy, and was father of Robert Lloyd Anwyl
                         Roberts, Rector of Llangynhafal -  Mural Tablet).

Further post on the floor slab to follow.

Jo

 

[Jo Harding]

Hello again,

The details on floor slab are as follows:

Rev. Robert Roberts A.M. Died 1817.
Margaret Roberts Died 1835.
Rev Robert Lloyd Anwyl Roberts. Died 1878.

SACRED
TO THE MEMORY OF
The Rev. Roberts Roberts A.M.
of Brynmorfydd
VICAR OF THIS PARISH
DIED
JULY 26th 1817
AGED 70 YEARS
BELOV'D RESPECTED LAMENTED
ALSO
TO THAT OF HIS RELICT
MARGARET ROBERTS
OBIT 20 OCTOBER 1835
AGED 80
AND OF THEIR ONLY SON
The Reverend ROBERT LLOYD ANWYL ROBERTS
OBIT 8th MARCH 1878
AGED 77

Written in the style of the transcription.

The floor slabs.

"Except for the Dolben tombs under the Altar and one under the Tower floor, the floor slabs were assembled under the Jesse Window at the east end of the north nave during the 1989 restoration".

Roots Chatters should thank the Reverend Williams for this information.

Jo