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1841 look up please - Hart - completed with thanks
« on: Monday 20 October 08 21:34 BST (UK) »
I would really appreciate it if someone would be able to look up the address and family of Thomas Hart b. 1840, Bethnal Green.  I'm hoping that his father is John Hart, occupation weaver and mother Sarah.  They would be living in the Bethnal Green area.  Thank you.

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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 October 08 21:54 BST (UK) »
the only John I can find c. 1840 bethnal green is

1841 Pleasnt Row bethnal green
John Hart 30 bricklayer
Jane 25
JOHN 3mths
all b in county
HO107 691 11 14 21

 it doesn't look like that's the one you wanted?????

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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 October 08 21:58 BST (UK) »
Hi suz,
Thank you for trying, I'm wondering if John and Sarah died and his son Thomas b. 1840 was living with another family member.

dee

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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 October 08 22:04 BST (UK) »
 Found this    1841  Church Street St Mathew Bethnal Green  Tower Hamlets.

Sarah Hart 35 Bethnal Green
John Hart  15
Sarah Hart 13
George Hart 11
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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 October 08 22:07 BST (UK) »
The closest I could see:

1841: Union Row - Mile End Old Town (Lower District), Tower Hamlets Boro, Stepney, Middlesex:
Hundred of Ossulstone (Tower Div)
HO107 /  Piece 713 /  Book: 7 /Folio: 28 /  Pg 14
Johnson HART 40, Coal Meter - N
Ellen HART 35 - N
Eliza HART 12  - N
Hannah HART 10 - N
Rachel HART 9  - N
Thomas HART 7 Mths - Y

'wrong' occupation for the father though  ???
The gap between children Rachel and Thomas - wonder if Ellen could be a 2nd wife?
 
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Stepney/OldAndNewTownsMileEndHistory.html

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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #5 on: Monday 20 October 08 22:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for trying, just had a quick look at some info I was given and it says that John died before June 1859 and his occpation was definitely a weaver.    Just noticed that his son Thomas was married in 1859 in Shoreditch, so maybe the family moved there.  Thank you all for your help.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 October 08 23:10 BST (UK) »
1851 census HO107 1539 folio 168
4 Castle Court Bethnal Green
John Horsell 45 Head Married Doll Maker Peckham Surrey
Sarah Horsell 51 Wife Married Dalston Essex (Halsted Essex in 1861 census in Bethnal Green)
Robert Horsell 16 Son Bethnal Green Middlesex
Eliza Horsell 11 Daughter Bethnal Green Middlesex  
Thomas Hart 10 Son-in-law Bethanl Green Middlesex (Doll maker born Shoreditch in the 1861 census aged 20 in Bethnal Green)

Marriages Sep 1846    
Hart  Sarah     Bethnal Gn.  2 31    
Horsell  John     Bethnal Green  2 31

Have you obtained the details from Sarah's marriage certificate to know her maiden name and track down her first marriage?

Thomas could of course have been born just after the 1841 census

1841 census HO107 691/1 folio 6
Church Street Bethnal Green
Sarah Hart 35  ?
John Hart 15
Sarah Hart 13
George Hart 11
all born Middlesex (yes no on the 1841 census can be unreliable - adult ages on the 1841 census, those over 15 usually rounded down to the nearest 5).


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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 October 08 23:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda,

You're brilliant, that is the right Thomas!!.  The address on Thomas's marriage certificate in 1859 is 4 Castle Court, Castle Street, occupation toy maker, father deceased.  Sarah Hart must have remarried to John Horsell and now I've got a rough idea of when John Hart died, before 1846.  That's fantastic, thank you so much for taking the time to look all the information up for me.  Thomas Hart was my 3 x grt. grandfather, I'm so pleased you've found him.

dee

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Re: 1841 look up please - Hart
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 July 11 05:35 BST (UK) »
To all,
Sarah Hart, nee Wells, widow, married John Horsell, widower, on 12 July 1846 St. Peter, Bethnal Green. Sarah was the daughter of William Wells, Soldier, deceased. Sarah lived at 38 Old Nichol Street and John at 50 Old Nichol St at time of their union.     Then in 1851 UK census we find the John and Sarah Horsell with John's son Robert & dau Eliza and her son Thomas Hart. Although recorded as son-in-law (which I believe was the correct terminology in the 1800s) Thomas is step-son. Thomas becomes a Doll-Maker like his step-father. John Horsell in later census docs is recorded as a silk weaver.  You can also see on the marriage entry for Thomas Hart and Hannah Biggs that John Horsell, step-father of Thomas signed as a Witness as did Hannah's mother, Hannah Biggs.

This, of course indicates a death for John Hart of pre 1846.  I cannot find him, Sarah and son Thomas in the 1841 but as lot of folk were missed or avoided the census thinking it was something to do with taxes.  Obviously John died, soon after the marriage as there does not appear to be any other surviving Hart children. None pop up with Sarah in a later census.  Although we find 11 year old Hannah Hart visting her grandmothr Sarah Horsell and step-grand dad in the 1871 census in Paddington.

Sarah in the 1891 census is a widower and an inmate in the Paddington District Workshouse, She dies in 1892
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