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Hi Anna, Emily's cousin!
Fay

[Rosalie Busch]

I am researching Eliza Howarth (nee Walsh) who, I think was an Irish convict and transported to NSW. I have her marriage details and I see the witnesses at her wedding in 1851 in Sydney in the Wesleyan church (Princes Street Chapel) were Rachel and John Wilson. I would love to know if you would have any more details of the Wilsons which may enable me to trace Eliza. She could be my great, great grandmother.
Thanks, Rosalie Busch

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Dear Rosalie, how interesting!  John and Rachel themselves were married in the Wesley Church, also in 1851.  They were my greatgrandparents.  Rachel came with her parents on the "Palmyra" in 1838 -there is a book about the journey, because 45 people died of Scarlet Fever, and an enquiry was held. Her parents were Edward and Mary Inmon, and her sisters were Maria and  Mary Anne. They went into the employ of Mr Manning, I think at Camden. I have yet to establish what voyage John Wilson came to Australia on, but he was born in Tullamore, Ireland in 1823, and came here in about 1840. After marrying Rachel, they went to Sofala, where he was a goldminer, then a farmer near Bathurst.After 1864, he became a Bush Missionary in Sydney, then Town Missionary in Maitland.In 1870, he became the schoolteacher at Hexham, and remained a schoolteacher, near Goulburn, then Albion Park.He died in Sydney in 1902.don't know isf this helps, but my email is: (*). if you would like to write to me.Fay Long

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[Rosalie Busch]

Thank you so much Fay. My interest is in John Howarth and Eliza Walsh. I have a copy of their marriage certificate and the witnesses at the marriage were John and Rachel Wilson. The marriage took place in the Wesleyan chapel in 1851 in Sydney. I am trying to ascertain if Eliza was a convict and thought that may be the case when I see her signature is marked with an X, as is Rachel's. Was the "Palmyra" a convict ship? Eliza and John, I think, are my great, great grandparents. I am very glad to have made contact with you.
Regards,
Rosalie Busch (nee Howarth)

[zadar]

Hi Rosalie, no, the Plamyra was a "Bounty Immigrant" ship, I don't think there were convicts on board, although the families may have known one another before they left England.  The Inmons came from Kent, and Rachel was only 4 when she arrived in Australia.  I guess you have checked the NSW State records.  There is only one Eliza Walsh that would fit the time frame, the other was 28 when she arrived in 1836, so would probably have been too old to bear children if she married in 1851.  There are a lot of John Howarth's who would be in the age bracket. Have you looked for their death certificates?  They sometimes reveal who their parents were, and how long they had been in the colony, etc. Fay

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Rosalie, you'll never believe it, but I looked up John and Eliza on Ancestry and found them, on someone's tree, and John belonged to the same regiment, the 11th Foot, as another of my G-Grandfathers, William Sivewright, and came to Australia (Tasmania)at the same time. He was born in Ireland only 3 years before John Wilson.  Below is the link I found, and the extra information on ancestry includes his regiment etc:
John Howarth
Spence/Sparrow/Kendall/Peterson/Howarth/Carey/Watman Family Tree
 Birth:  1820 - Wexford, Ireland
Marriage:  1851 - Sydney, NSW (New South Wales), Australia
Parents:  John Shephard Howarth, Mary Pascoe
Spouse:  Eliza Walsh

[Rosalie Busch]

Fay, you wonderful person!! I have used Ancestry in the past but found it was using up too many of my dollars. You don't know how exciting this is because John and Eliza's eldest daughter, Sarah, gave birth to my paternal grandfather illegitimately in 1879 and it has been so hard to trace beyond Sarah until I got her death certificate and found the names of her parents - John and Eliza (Sarah retained Howarth). My dad, who is no longer living, always said he didn't know about his father's family and I now know why he wouldn't devulge that information (a terrible scandal in those days).
I am so happy to be able to identify John, my great, great grandfather and yes, you are right, the Eliza who came out to NSW as a convict in 1832 would certainly have been past childbearing age if married in 1851. And how amazing that we have relatives who served in the same regiment.
I will now do some more searching and go to the link you supplied.
Thank you so very, very much.
Rosalie

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Rosalie, so glad to be of help-so many people have helped me with information (I am researching about eight families!), that it is a pleasure to find stuff for other people.  I know about the illegitimate bit-my mother's father was illegitimate, and I couldn't find out about his family until after Mum died.
You might be interested to look at a site on the net, callled "Australia's Redcoat Army", as it tells the story of our 11th Regiment ancestors.  They were brought out in 1845 to Tasmania, then were brought over to Sydney to quell a riot.  The people of Sydney were so impressed with them, that they took up a petition to have them stay.  So they stayed, and were the first regiment to occupy the Victoria Barracks when it was first built.When they were due to return to England in 1857, they were offered the opportunity to stay in Australia.  100 of them chose to stay, and your John and my William were two of the hundred.  Their story has been put on the web by a descendant of one of the men. great story!Fay

[zadar]

Dear Rosalie, I have looked up the Redcoats,and I may have given you the wrong information.  There is certainly a Howarth who stayed in Sydney, but his name wasn't John, his wife wasn't Eliza, and he was married in 1848.  This is one of the problems with Ancestry.  People who are searching for ancestors, sometimes make assumptions, based on dodgy info., then post it on their Genealogy pages. Everything I find out, in my own research, is documented.  The family who has posted John Howarth's stuff, has certainly put the info I said to you.  Now there my be a second Howarth, who doesn't appear on the Redcoat Settler''s page, or the Redcoat person may have been given the wrong infformation, but it seems strange that the info is different. You might like to get in touch with the family and ask them. I have the same trouble with John Wilson, because on Ancestry, there are descendants who are adamant that he is a John Wilson who arrived in Adelaide in 1844, and I have done extensive research on both, and know that he is not.   Such is life!Cheers, Fay