Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831

[Diana Nelson]

Hi Mark,

This is all very interesting about the lace industry etc. 

Thomas is sure proving to be a bit of a mystery man!!  If only all the IGI etc records were complete!!  (Not knocking them at all, as I think they are a marvelous tool for finding people)   I don't think the Thomas Jerram/Sarah Turner marriage in 1832 can be the right one though.

It does sound as if we have the right Amelia Jerram with the correct address etc. and the date would fit for him to have had another marriage/partner before he married Harriot, as his brother Samuel didn't die until 1824 and I am not sure of the date of his marriage in the Channel Islands, but it is recorded in a family tree I have which was compiled back in the 1930's.   

Re the George Turner Jerram marriage you found - that is the correct one. 
He and Elizabeth Beastall had a son: George Beastall Jerram born 23/2/1841 and christened at Old Church, St Pancras, London. 
George Turner Jerram married a 2nd time to Julia Bevan (date unknown) and at the 1881 Census was living at Highbury Hill Stoneham, London.  They had two daughters: 
Caroline Julia Jerram born in 1849 who was married George Morris and had three children.
Anna Eva Jerram born in 1857 in Islington, Middlesex who was living with her parents in the 1881 Census in London.  She later married Charles Howard Atkisson and had three children.

Things can get very complicated when there are multiple marriages.

Hope this comfirms you are on the right track.  Can you tell me the web site for the Parish register as I have other my gg grandfathers in-laws to trace through the same parish - the Galloways who I believe were also involved in the Nottingham Lace Industry.

Will keep on looking for further evidence!!

Kind regards.      Diana

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi Diana,

A quick message as it is late here.

The marriage bonds come from the Nottingham University site

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08f8

The parish records came from

http://www.freereg.org.uk

I also looked at some commercial directories

Thomas was living on :

Park St 1815
Halifax Lane 1817
Halifax Place 1823
Halifax Place 1831
Lenton Priory 1835
St Pancras 1841 (London)
4 Seagrave Place 1851 (Cheltenham)

You say Thomas and Harriot married in the Channel Islands? That would explain why I cannot find it then.

While looking at the above websites I did spot a Jerram (I think) with the middle name of Galloway), it stuck in my mind when I saw it as a possibly significant name.

I also noted that in 1825 a John T Jerram was also operating from Halifax place and that at the same time that Jerram, Warner and Jerram were trading from Halifax place (1823 to 1831) there was also a Jerram and Harpham trading in Halifax Place as well.

Best regards - Mark

[Diana Nelson]

Hi Mark,

That was a great find with Amelia Jerram's birth.  It is almost certain to be the right one.

Now this is just a hunch, but I have had a general look at IGI and have come up with an Amelia Jerram in the 1881 Census, staying with Jacob and Mary Sturton at Holbeach Lincoln, where Jacob was the Vicar of Little Bedwyn and Amelia his guest is aged 62 and an Aunt to Jacob.  On looking into the Sturton marriage, I find she was Mary Jane Taylor of Nottingham.  Do you think that is any connection?  I haven't had time to look any further.

I do not have a John T Jerram in my lists at all, but my G Grandfathers brother was John and he was in the lace industry - infact the two brothers were the last to run the factory begun by their father.  Family history tells that it was mysteriously burnt down not long after the brothers had a dispute.

As a note to your comment about the Galloway name.  My Grandfather was William Galloway Jerram,  born in 1848, obviously taken from his mothers maiden name.  I think it was her grandfather on her mothers side who was involved with the lace industry - Gibson was the surname.

Thanks for all your information.  It has been a great help to me.

Kindest Regards,       Diana

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi Diana,

Your Welcome, its been nice to do a bit of research again and have a little bit of success.

I had wondered if Amelia never married and it looks like you could be correct.

I would still like to put dates and full names to the Marriage and Death of Mary, who I still suspect is a Turner, and also Sarah.  Their death dates pre date (I think) the creation of Nottingham General Cemetary and CHurch Cemetary. The two Churches in the Lace market area are St Mary's and St Nicolas, so I would think one or both might be there. However because of the Park Street address, which seems to be across town in Lenton, the closest there would be Holy Trinity.

I think now that Thomas was a late convert to the Wesleyian Church. This could have been a part tactical/political choice.  Of the powerful people in Nottingham (Mayors, businessmen, officials) a very high proportion were non-conformists and of these the biggest number were Wesleyan. For example, John Warner's wife Sarah ran a Wesleyan Private Girls School very successfully and she is written about in the Wesleyan Magazine many times, even 60 years after her death. Her cousin, with whom she is buried, was Mayor of Nottingham 3 times. I think it was a bit of a club and commercially it paid to be in it and not outside. Sarah and John were very well connected within this network and would have been well placed to Introduce Thomas to key people.

I have collected and taken pictures of some parts of the Lace Market, like Halifax Place, on which still stands one of the oldest Nottingham Wesleyan Chapels, which if memory serves was ministered to be Sampson Biddulph, who also happens to hold the post of Teacher (Rigilious) at Sarah's school.

If you send me your email address in a private message (PM) I will email you some photos.

I will try a few options to see if Mary and Sarah's details can be found.

Best regards - Mark

Added - A very kind roots chatter (a Lady called Sunflower) found this burial for you.

Mary Jerram 7.4.1811 St Nicolas , wife of Thomas.

I think the source will be the Notts Family History Society's CD's but I cannot yet confirm this.

Having got this date of death for Mary, have you seen this other Baptism on the freereg site?

Ann Jerram Bpt 24.8.1813 St Nicolas
Father Thomas, Mother Ann
Sex - Female
Abode - Park Street,
Father's occupation Hosier

This fits with the 1815 Commercial Directory which gave Thomas' address as Park St.

Does this mean a 4th marriage or could Ann and Sarah be the same person perhaps. I am reasonably certain there isn't a second Thomas Jerram Hosier and Lace Manufacturer as the only other Jerrams I have pick up are James and John T and George Turner Jerram in this trade and at this level.

Added 2 - Sunflower has come up with some more info.

Charles Jerram born in 1806 was buried 1/3/1808, St Nicolas, Son of Thomas

Ann Jerram aged 36 Buried 23/8/1813 St Nicolas, Park Street.

It seems this Ann, if she is another wife of our Thomas, probably died due to to complications in child birth of the Ann Bpt 24/8/1813. The dates and Address make this a reasonable guess.

So Sarah and Ann are not the same person and Sarah's marriage is now most likely between 8 1813 and 1817.

[Diana Nelson]

Hi Mark,

You have been busy with your research.  I shall have to be very brief today as I am looking after one of my granddaughters and haven't the time to do any research. 

My goodness the complications of our Thomas Jerram seem to become more and more every day!!  What great findings there have been by Sunflower!!  We must thank her for that.  She seems to have come up with some very solid answers to our questions.  It seems he had an interesting but often tragic life.

I shall be intouch again tomorrow when I shall have time to do more digging!
Not sure how to send a PM with my e-mail address in this system.  The photo's sound most interesting.

Talk tomorrow.      Diana