Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831

[Framesmiths1816]

I know there are some of you out there with a great deal of knowledge in this area, so hopefully someone might be able to help me.

I am looking for more sources of information for Nottingham Lace Manufacturer John Warner (c1785/1790). I only have two at the moment.

1. Pigot's 1835 Commercial Directory lists John Warner Lace Manufacturer Stoney St.

2. 1841 Census lists John Warner 19 Stoney St, Lace Agent. He is living at a Girls Academy run by Mrs Sarah Warner and Jane Foulkes. Mrs Warner's Academy can be found in Directories from 1825 to 1848. I do not know if they are married or related.

My relative is mentioned in Sheila Mason's book Nottingham Lace and I would like to find out if this John Warner is the same person.

All help and information very gratefully received.

Framesmiths1816

Additional : I have just found two reference snippits in The Law Advertiser 1823 and 1831.

"John Warner Nottingham Lace Manufacturer, Partners Thomas and George Jerram Seal Aug' 30 1823"

"Jerram Thomas, John Warner, George Turner Jerram Lace Manufacturers Nottingham and Manchester March 1 1831"

The company was called Jerram, Warner & Jerram and was in Halifax Place Nottingham and they are described as Lace Manufacturers Nottingham and Manchester.

[babygirl101]

There was a John Warner who married a Sarah Walker on 1st October 1821, at St Marys Nottingham  - could this be the one who became Sarah Warner - I wonder?

BG 

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi BG,

I am not sure. The 1841 census states that neither John or Sarah are from Nottinghamshire. I know that John is from Leicestershire but I cannot say where Sarah is from. Isn't is usual for brides to be married in their parish? I suppose it could be her if her parents came from somewhere else. I really don't have enough information to know which candidate are likely and which ones to dismiss. Still no-one said Genealogy was easy.

Thanks - Framesmiths1816

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi BG,

Sorry, Paulene has told me off  for not getting back to you. In truth, I had forgotten I had started this thread.

Yes you are correct, this is the right marriage. Sarah's Will indicates her maiden name is Walker and the Marriage Bond gives her parish as St Mary's Nottingham and John's as St Werburgh Derby although it is my belief that neither of them was born in these localities.

Well done and thank you.

I shall mark this thread - completed.

All the best - Mark

[Penrose-Hodgson]

Sorry but I have only just seen this.My g,g,grandfather was George Bradley (Lace Thread Maufacturer) of Nottingham who married Mary Jerram of Long Eaton,Derbyshire.Does this help at all?

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi Thanks for your reply,
I am not at home with all my information at the moment I will get back to you after Christmas.
FS

[Diana Nelson]

Just found this site.  I am connected to Mary Jerram.  Her father James Jerram (1745 - 1810) who married Ellen Crofts, was my ggg grandfather.  I am decended from her brother James who married Hannah Lawton,  then his son James who married Mary Galloway.  The latter named emigrated to New Zealand  in 1859 and we have quite a clan of Jerrams in this country.  Interesting to be able to find a connection to the family.  Have often wondered about the Lace factory.

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi Diana,

I have some trouble trying to build a small tree for the Jerrams.  The Lace factory that my ancester John Warner was involved with was called Jerram,Warner and Jerram and was in Halifax Place Nottingham. While halifax place is still there, the factory has now gone. The two Jerrams were Thomas Jerram (father) and George Turner Jerram (son). Thomas died in 1852/3 (I think - I have his Will) and was living in 1841 in St Pancras London with his son Geiorge and family (wife Harriet and grandson George). The business was created as a partnership by public annoucement on 30th Aug' 1823,in 1831 the partnership was desolved by public announcement described as "Jerram,Warner and Jerram - Nottingham and Manchester".

This is about as much as I know and I have not really mananged to work out where the Jerrams came from or went to, but if they ended up in New Zealand, that could explain it.

I hope this might help a little.

Best regards - Mark

Added - If I remember correctly there is also more than one Lace concern with the name Jerram in it in Nottingham - I have not been able to establish a connection between then, although I suspect there is one.

If anyone can has or finds further info on Thomas Jerram and George Turner Jerram I would be very interested.

I will read the will again tonight to see if any names you mention are in it.

[Penrose-Hodgson]

Hi Diana, I will dig out my very battered Bradley Pedigree and see what I can find regarding Mary Jerram who was my g,g,grandmother.My maiden name was Bradley and Mary married George Bradley who was a Lace Thread manufacturer at Nottingham.Mary was born at Long Eaton and died at Lenton.Both she and George are buried in a family vault at Nottingham General Cemetery.