e webb died on hms captain in 1870

[Arranroots]

Hi Kim

What part of the country are you searching for your WEBB family?

You have a Francis WEBB with father James Francis?  There's one in Plumstead in 1881 with a brother Henry E.  He isn't a sailor though (but what is your source for this info?)

I'd be happy to have a go at the census if you give me some clues?

Kind regards, Arranroots 

[jollyrob]

my grandfather was francis james webb born june 1877, on his marriage certificate ( june 1900) it states his father was a james francis webb (deceased) and that his father was a marriner. francis is listed as a machienist. it states francis place of birth as plumstead woolwich. we have no more info on james webb than that.
on the marriage certificate there is 1 witness called charles webb, we assume he is a relation of francis.
im not sure if it is in anyway significant but when searching for francis birth certificate i found his gro volume and page (1d 1040 june 1877 woolwich) and directly above him on the same page, volume and district is a bernard james webb. i dont know if this is coinidence or if it suggests a twin. my father ( the only living relative of francis that we know) has no memory of twins being mentioned in his family. i searched for a death certificate for bernard close to his birth but coyuldnt find one, suggesting bernard survived long enough.
cant find the family in the census though.
let me know if you need any other info, i would appreciate a more experienced pair of eyes to have a look, thank you so much.
kim

[Arranroots]

hello Kim

Unusual for a marriage certificate to state a place of birth? Unless you also have the birth cert?

The 1881 census I mentioned above fits Plumstead nicely though.  Maybe James became a sailor later?  I'll see whether I can trace this family forward.

Bear with me ...

[Arranroots]

This is the 1881 I mentioned:

RG11/750/102/38

James Francis WEBB H M 34 - iron trimmer - Kent Woolwich
Emily W M 32 - do
Josiah Hames Hy son 6 - do Plumstead
Francis Jas son 4 - do
Elizth May dau 1 - do
Henry Edwd son 4 months - do
Fredk Wm JAMES bro in law U 19 - core maker in iron foundry - do Woolwich
Fredk John PARSONS boarder U 20 - musician - do Plumstead


Address: 179 Sandy Hill Rd, Plumstead



In 1891 there's a 14 year old Bernard, son of Francis and Julia, born Plumstead, living in Plumstead.

RG12/536/101/8

This father Francis is a tailor (note - often misread as sailor!!) and there is a younger Francis but he is only 4 years old.

I'd guess from that Bernard is not a twin of your Francis - still looking though ...


Also in 1891 - this appears to be your man, if if if the 1881 is right??


1891 RG12/535/156/33

Emily WEBB H Wid 42 - machinist - Kent Woolwich
J J H son 16 - carpenter's apprentice - do Plumstead
F J son 14 - machinist - do
Henry Ed son 10 - scholar - do
Mary Gertrude dau 8 - do - do

Address: 179 Sandy Hill Rd, Plumstead


This doesn't help with Charles and I'm not sure about the "E" unless that's what Henry called himself?

A 

[Bilge]

One observation that i would like to comment on is that Plumstead and Woolwich would have had military barracks.

Was he a Royal Marine as apposed to a mariner?

[Arranroots]

I had a look for a link between this James and a Charles.

found one possible but can't prove it!

Could do with some more feedback before going further.

Kind regards, A 

[jollyrob]

hello,
the marriage certificate says marriner but i dont know if that means he could have been in the navy.
we think e webb might be an uncle of francis james webb rather than a sibling of francis.
your right the marriage certificate says location at time of marriage as plumstead. but i have found his birth entrance and that does say woolwich. i have ordered his birth certificate so hopefully that will tell me more about francis parents. my only access to the census is via the Genes Reunited web site and for some reason that doesnt have 1881, where else can i access that information? i had found the bernard age 14 in the 1891 census too, ( and yes i miss read it as sailor!   the original version i could see was not very clear and i wasnt sure if the francis could be 14, it was an outside chance.
anyway thankyou,
i ll keep you posted if anything new comes up
kim
ps let me know if there is anything specific you need to know to help you,

[Arranroots]

That helps a lot.

You can look on Familysearch for the 1881 census, although other sites also have it free:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

I think it's best to wait for the next certificate.  The address for your man's birth wil be a big clue, also his mother's name.

A 

[Valda]

1901 census RG13 572 folio 164
13 Park Road Plumstead
Francis J Webb 24 Head Married Sewing machinist war material Plumstead Kent
Ellen E Webb 23 Wife Married Plumstead Kent

Fits to the 1891 and 1881 censuses that Arranroots has found.

Births Jun 1877   
Webb  Francis James     Woolwich  1d 1040

Woolwich registration district covers Plumstead.

Marriage of parents

Marriages Jun 1872     
James  Emily Mary     Dartford  2a 570   
Webb  James Francis     Dartford  2a 570

Death of father

Deaths Mar 1888   
WEBB  James Francis  38  Woolwich  1d 788

possible birth of father

Births Mar 1849 
Webb  James Francis    Greenwich  5 277

and possible Royal Navy service for James Webb but there doesn't seem to be a service record that fits for a James (Francis Webb) born Woolwich or earlier censuses for him with any certainty.

1871 census RG10 5784 folio 184
Royalist Royal Navy Havana Cuba
James Webb 22 Engineers' Cook Woolwich, Kent

You would need to obtain his marriage certificate to try to track James Francis with his parents on earlier censuses and find his siblings.


Regards

Valda