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Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« on: Wednesday 15 October 08 22:42 BST (UK) »
  My family line is through a son of Peter Ness (1828-1912) who was a postman in Aberlady and his wife Helen Walker.
 
  Peter was a son of William Ness (1794-1877) a tailor in Aberlady.  His wife was a Mary Robertson---named on the birth certificates/death certificates though I have yet to find their marriage certificate.

  William was the son of Joseph Ness, (1760-?) of Dirleton, a master tailor and a Margaret Paterson.

  Joseph Ness was the eldest son (of five) born to William Ness and Marion Ponton/Punton who married in 1759 in North Berwick.

  That is as far as I have got.

  The earliest Ness couples in East Lothian are listed as

   Patrick/Peter Ness and Ann Paterson, at Yester,   
   James Ness and Elizabeth Knox in North Berwick, 
   William Ness and Marion Ponton, North Berwick and Dirleton and
   Thomas Ness and Agnes Acheson in Dirleton.
                                                               
  It would appear that the Nesses came across from Fife, perhaps Kettle.

  Is anyone researching/interested in this name and has anyone positively identified the link with Fife?

  'My' family Christian names are Peter, (presumably Patrick earlier) Joseph, William, Thomas, James.

   MairiD.
Fife;  Annan,  Annal,  Robertson, Laing, Coutts.
E. Lothian; Ness.
W. Lothian; Cuthbertson.
Argyll; Walker, Campbell.

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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 19 December 08 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Hope this may be of use. I have a Margaret Stewart Ness ( paper mill worker) married robert beck dickson. margaret's father was James a boilerman fireman in musselburgh 1912, his wife was Mary Ann Pearson a witness at the marriage of margaret is an Annie Ness

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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 December 08 22:11 GMT (UK) »
   Thank you very much for replying to an old post. It was very kind of you.  Have just tracked fireman James Ness back via SP and Ancestry. He was actually born James Stormer in Falkland but took the name Ness. He is listed as stepson to William Ness, a linen weaver in Falkland, who married an Ann Black. (This was obviously a complicated family!)  William was a son of Henry Ness and Janet Annan in Falkland. Thus these Nesses were later arrivals to East Lothian. Have not yet found a link to 'my' Nesses but may later.  There must have been many boats plying the Forth, taking passengers as well as goods, years ago and will, no doubt, have been quite a sight. Again thanks for this information.  :) MairiD.
Fife;  Annan,  Annal,  Robertson, Laing, Coutts.
E. Lothian; Ness.
W. Lothian; Cuthbertson.
Argyll; Walker, Campbell.

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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 December 08 22:41 GMT (UK) »
I have a Georgina Bryson in my tree,who married a (James ?) Ness in East Lothian in the early 1900's.She was my grandad's sister.
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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 December 08 23:43 GMT (UK) »
  Thank you for that information.
 That James Ness is not in my direct Ness line but in the bigger Ness tree on which I have over eight names.
  I have just checked the marriage certificate of James and Georgina to find James' parents.  He is descended from a sister of my great, great grandfather.
  Some Nesses stayed in East Lothian, others moved the Edinburgh and Glasgow. It is interesting to learn of Aberlady Nesses who stayed on there. Did this couple live there after marriage?
 Again many thanks for taking the trouble to reply.
 MairiD
 
Fife;  Annan,  Annal,  Robertson, Laing, Coutts.
E. Lothian; Ness.
W. Lothian; Cuthbertson.
Argyll; Walker, Campbell.

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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 27 December 08 09:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mhairi,

I found this "Ness" when searching on Ancestry -

There is a John Ness, 1 Bickerton Place, Aberlady, who was 34 yrs 8 months when he joined Royal Scots on 30th Jan 1915; he was a gamekeeper, employed by a Mr Fletcher, Saltoun Hall, Pencaitland.
His next of kin was his father, also John, there were no details as to marriage, so I assume he was single. His father married Elizabeth Young 17 Apr 1874 at Saltoun, East Lothian. (extracted record IGI) I found John aged 20 in 1901 census at Bicherton (sic) Place at Aberlady

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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 27 December 08 13:18 GMT (UK) »
  Thank you very much Tom!
 
  This John was a cousin of the James mentioned in Avril's post.
 
  I have just looked up SP. to find John post -war. The death of a John Young Ness in 1962 in Kilmun, Argyll is data that fits in terms of name but of course I cannot see the DC. to check parentage.

  (That he joined the Royal Scots is understandable. My great uncle, William Ness, living at the time in Glasgow, joined the 6th battalion, Seaforth Highlanders according to records.  My understanding is that this was a Morayshire regiment so I do not know he came to be with them. He died during the battle of Beaumont Hamel in 1916 and is commemorated at Thiepval.
  I have a studio photo of him, replendent in Seaforth uniform, which I took out in November to focus on around Remembrance Day. One day I hope to learn how military records, apart from just the plain Service Cards, can be accessed as I would like to know how he got the MM.)
 
  Again thanks,
 Is there anything I could help you with now?
  MairiD.


 

 
Fife;  Annan,  Annal,  Robertson, Laing, Coutts.
E. Lothian; Ness.
W. Lothian; Cuthbertson.
Argyll; Walker, Campbell.

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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 27 December 08 15:37 GMT (UK) »
The MM you refer to is the other ranks medal. The Military Medal was awarded about 1916 and was won for land battles prior to about 1938. Not sure if you can find out by other means by if you send me the details will look in the national archives at kew and see what i can come up with.
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Re: Ness Family, Aberlady, Dirleton.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 February 09 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Mairi,


My Ness line runs through Janet Ness, daughter of William Ness and Mary Robertson. So from what you have on Peter they would have been brother and sister.

I have Janet's birth record. She was born Dec. 31, 1821 and baptized Jan. 6, 1822 in Aberlady. Witnesses were Joseph Ness and Thomas Robertson. I always assumed they were fathers of William and Mary.

Janet died in Aberlady of senile decay. Her death record in 1901 shows her name as Janet Robertson Ness, age 78, father: William Ness, tailor, deceased ,and mother: Mary Robertson, deceased. Although Janet had several children, she never married.

1851 census for Aberlady has William Ness age 60, tailor born Preston Pans, East Lothian, Mary, wife, age 60 out worker, born Aberlady, **Janet, daughter, age looks like 41, which would be wrong, out worker,  born Aberlady, William, son age 19 shoe maker, born Aberlady, Mary Murphy, granddaughter, age 4 (or 6, not sure) born Aberlady, John Purves, grandson, age 2 born Aberlady.   ** Janet should be 30 years old.

1861 census for Aberlady has William Ness, widower, age 67, tailor, born Prestonpans, Haddington, **Janet, daughter, age 30, farm worker, born Aberlady, John, grandson age 13, farm worker born Aberlady, William, grandson, age 11 born Aberlady, David, grandson age 2, born Aberlady

Again Janet's age is wrong, but then census records are not always to be relied on for ages. She should be 40.

In 1871 Aberlady census William, widower, tailor is age 77, born Preston Pans, Haddington, Janet, daughter, age 49 (finally a right age for her), unmarried, housekeeper, born Aberlady, William, grandson age 21, flesher, born Aberlady, and David, grandson age 12, scholar, born Aberlady.

Janet had a daughter Margaret who was my g-g-grandmother. I have had no luck in finding her in any census records before her marriage. She married James Kilgour in 1865, Aberlady. Her mother is shown as Janet Ness. Father's name is left blank.

My gr-grandfather Thomas Kilgour wrote out a family tree back in the 1950's which he gave to one of his grandchildren. In this tree he lists Janet Ness as Margaret's mother and William Ness as her grandfather. He also lists Margaret's siblings as Bill, David and John.

These three brother's names match with the names in the 1861 census.

When Margaret married in December of  1865 she was shown as age 22 which would make her birth about 1843. In 1851 she would have been about 6 or 7 depending on her birth date which I do not know.

So I am wondering if she is the Mary Murphy with the Ness family in 1851 and if the John Purves is the John Ness of 1861. He is right age. I am wondering if Janet first called them by their fathers' surnames and later changed them to Ness???

This is the only explanation I can come up with for why there is no John Ness or Margaret Ness in 1851 and why this Mary and this John would be with Ness family and listed as grandchildren if they are not Janet's children.

Does that make sense to you?  Have you come across anything in your research on this family that would explain this?

I have William's death record for 1877.

That is as far as I have gone. On this death record it has parents as Joseph Ness and Margaret Paterson.

You have shown parents of Joseph as being William Ness and Marion Ponton/Punton who married in 1759 North Berwick.

Do you have a birth record for Joseph? Do you know where he was born - Dirleton?  North Berwick?  or elsewhere?

I appreciate any help you can give me and would be happy to share what little I hae on this family.

Carolyn L.