one last lookup 1851

[CoryJR]

Hello all,

I need one more lookup for this family - this is their 1841 census for Shrewsbury.

Can somebody find their 1851 census and send me the household information. I am also trying to find out where the mother & father are originally from:

Roberts family -

father - Thomas Roberts 35 ag lab
mother - Elizabeth 35
John 9
Richard 7
William 4
Joseph 2
all born in county
HO107/911/14 fol 4 p 1
Shelton St Chad Condover Shrewsbury

Thank-you!!

[tazzie]

   Hi .....

  1851 HO107/1992 F 667 P 7   Shewsbury St Chad


  Thomas Roberts hd m 40   Labourer ag     Minton Salop
  Elizabeth             wi m 42            wife         Hazlen Salop
  Joseph               son u 11               son        Shelton
  Elizabeth           dau u 8             daughter    Copthorne
  Thomas              son u 4                   son           d/o

                     Tazzie

[CoryJR]

Thanks Tassie!

I guess my ancester William Roberts at this time was living somewhere else?!

[philrob4]

HI Cory

Sorry to come so late to your posts, but I am also researching the family of Thomas & Elizabeth Roberts, specifically for my ancestor, George Roberts, younger brother of William

Like his parents, George, who was born around 1852 misses at least two census and does not appear on any census until 1881. The link to his brother William is through George's oldest daughter, Selina, who is 6 on the 1881 census. However, her birth certificate shows her parents were actually William and Sarah, and was a twin to another daughter, Sophia, who died

Why Selina was handed over to her uncle and aunt we can only speculate - maybe Sarah was ill, maybe George's wife, also named Selina, had just lost a baby, who knows, but the link between William and George looks pretty concrete

George and Selina were married in 1872 in Wolverhampton. Thomas is shown as George's father - occupation Slater

George & Selina did go on to have several children, the first of which was not born until 1879, 7 years after their marriage which hints at a medical problem

I have a fairly complete record of the census records of Thomas and Elizabeth's family (where they appear) 1841-1911 which I will be glad to send to you

Regards
Phil

[CoryJR]

Hi Phil,

So is this the same William Roberts born in 1836? He ended up marrying a Sarah Fletcher around 1859. My entire tree is on www.GenesReunited.com. I can't seem to find a George anywhere which makes me think its a different family, but who knows. William & Sarah end up having a series of children one in particular named Walter (1869) who is my ancestor.

Talk Soon,

Cory

[philrob4]

Hi Cory

Whilst there is no absolute proof that William & George were brothers, the evidence is pretty convincing

There is no doubt at all that George's "daughter" Selina is the child of William & Sarah Roberts, as proved by the attached birth certificate

It is just possible that the surname Roberts of both families is a coincidence, but consider both William & George have a father named Thomas, both lived in Wolverhampton, the child has the same not very common name Selina, the same as George's wife

Taking all this evidence, it seems highly likely that William and George are brothers

Best Regards
Phil

PS I can't seem to be able to make the attachment

[CoryJR]

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[philrob4]

Hi Cory

Will do

I don't know what happened to Selina after 1891. Presumably she married, but I have not found any record of this in Wolverhampton

In 1891, Selina seems to be a servant in a pub, though her age is said to be 17, not 16 as it should be. However, she may have lied about her age to get the job!

Best Regards
Phil