David Bell 1844

[Gadget]

Helllo again Mary

Have you got him on any other censuses besided the 1881 or is it a case of him being at sea? I have him on the 1881 but  I'm having trouble finding him on the 1871 and 1891.


Gadget

Added - I'm wondering if the Lundrie/Lundree, given as Mary's birthplace on the 1851 could be Lundie which is just to the NW of Dundee 

[marynunn]

Hi Breaky, could be that this is the family as the mother possibly came from Dundee, there were grandchildren born in 1900's with names George, mary, Ellen, John, David, Joseph,Henrietta, Richard, Harry,Ernie and Doris all in South Shields, were David settled, he was in the merchant navy and was at sea a lot,

Hi Gadget, I only have him in the 1881 cencus, he was dead in 1880 when his son Richard got married, possibly was at sea in 1871, he married his wife Elizabeth jane Jennings in 1869, but still can't find him on the cencus.

[Gadget]

Hi again Mary

I really do think that the family that I found on the1851 and Breaky has found on the 1841 are the best bet. They also fit with the birth that I found for David in 1845. Here they are in 1861:

The George and Mary Bell that we've found are still in Cellardyke,  Kilrenny on the 1861 (I've already refered to David in Kilrenny on the 1861)

Braehead, Cellardyke
438 ED

George Bell, 60, carter
Mary, 51
Helen, 27, Ag outdoor worker
Betsey, 24, Ag outdoor worker
Thomas, 21, cooper

all down as  b. St Andrews

I think George and Mary were economical with their ages!


Gadget

[breaky]

Hi Mary and Gadget,

I can find two David Bells, both on "Vessels"  on the 1871 census.  Both are born Dundee in 1839, unfortunately - though perhaps appearing older and more experienced was a good thing.
(The Scottish 1871 is for a ship with a large crew at Brodick, county of Bute with "ED: Humber"(?) and the English 1871 is for a  ship with a crew of only 4 but is at "Humber, Northumberland" but also names the vessel as "Humber")

Breaky

[Gadget]

Have you come across anything other than my Baker's apprentice on the 1861 yet, Breaky 

Think the Northumberland one in 1871 looks the most promising - have you got the ref?

Took some photos yesterday - looking over from North Shields to South Shields 



Gadget

PS  - Mary what age was he on his marriage cert?

[Gadget]

Found him on the 1871 - it does say that he' married so it's a very good possible. Aged 32.

Nearest one that fits with that age b. Dundee - 12 June 1839  Parents - Thomas Bell and Helen Thornton.

The Westruther one is still the only one with a father George 

Nothing so far on the 1861 in Scotland  that looks promising for him


Gadget

[breaky]

The ref is

Class RG10   Piece 5111   Folio 133  

(Haven't done this before  - do you need the whole screed?)

but have just found that the IGI does have a David born 1839 at Dundee -  to Thomas Bell and Helen Thornton  - I should have checked that first, sorry.

I'll try to looking in the 1861 census next.

Breaky

Oops! crossed replies.

[Gadget]

Hi Breaky - I've just added to my last message.

The refs for Eng & Wales censuses are the RG number - Piece Folio and page. the GSU number is an admin ref which is not needed 

Can't find anything at all thatlooks promising in 1861 Eng/Wales or Scotland apart from the baker 

Got to go off line no.

Good luck with the searching!

[Gadget]

Hi Both

Think I've found the David Bell that Breaky found on the 1871 in 1881:

19, West Wynd, St Peter, Dundee
282/1 ED 11 Page 9

David Bell, 41, seaman
Elisabeth, 37, b. Ireland
Henry, 17, millworker
David, 13, millworker
Jane, 9
Elisabeth, 7
Frank, 5
Agness, 3
Mary, 6 months

All except Elisabeth b. Dundee

so - back to the drawing board 


Gadget