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« on: Sunday 12 October 08 14:46 BST (UK) »
could anyone help me locate 5 Nile St, Middlesborough as I would be interested to find out why my ggrandfather left the WRY and moved north.
Was it just to avoid the rentman?
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: 5 Nile St.
Census Place: Middlesborough, NRY.
Charles PRATT, head, marr., 25, clothier?collier?, Normanton, Leeds.
Alice Kirby PRATT, wife, marr., 25, London.
Elizabeth, daur., 5, Normanton, Leeds.
Charles, son, 3, Normanton, Leeds.
Charlotte, daur., 1, Normanton.
All information taken from my personal database compiled from original sources - Crown Copyright acknowledge as stated.
Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).

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Re: streets of middlesborough
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 October 08 14:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Wildgoose,

Just behind the railway station
      
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1891 census image does show his occupation as clothier


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Re: streets of middlesborough
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 October 08 15:08 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Maybe it was simply the rate of industrial growth in that area meant that there were more opportunities for employment. The whole of what we now know as Teesside had sprung up out of almost nothing in a remarkably short time and people had been flooding into the area from all over the country.

(Or maybe he just realised that the North Riding was a better place to be!  ;))

Jen
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: streets of middlesborough
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 October 08 15:17 BST (UK) »
I see he was back in Normanton in 1901, what does that tell us Jen?  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 October 08 16:07 BST (UK) »
Hmmm - tricky one that! They had no taste?  ;D

But seriously, I struggled like mad, in one census, to find one of my families who should, according to all other documents, have been in or around the Bedale area of the North Riding. In the end, I ran them to ground in the Tees Tilery area - Normanby/South Bank, where the head of family was working as a labourer in the iron/steel works. Ten years later, he had gone back to Bedale where he was, once again, an ag lab. Plainly the urban style of life didn't suit them and they were fortunate enough to be able to go home to start again.

Perhaps it was simply that they couldn't settle in a new place.

Jen
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 October 08 07:15 BST (UK) »
Whats a clothier?  He spent all his working life as a collier (hewer)
All information taken from my personal database compiled from original sources - Crown Copyright acknowledge as stated.
Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 October 08 09:28 BST (UK) »
Clothier / Clothesman / Clothman:      Made or sold clothing

Maybe just fancied a change of air and routine!

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Re: streets of middlesborough
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 October 08 23:02 BST (UK) »
Hmmm - tricky one that! They had no taste?  ;D

But seriously, I struggled like mad, in one census, to find one of my families who should, according to all other documents, have been in or around the Bedale area of the North Riding. In the end, I ran them to ground in the Tees Tilery area - Normanby/South Bank, where the head of family was working as a labourer in the iron/steel works. Ten years later, he had gone back to Bedale where he was, once again, an ag lab. Plainly the urban style of life didn't suit them and they were fortunate enough to be able to go home to start again.

Perhaps it was simply that they couldn't settle in a new place.

Jen

Don't forget that the Iron and Steel industry suffered several downturns when quite a lot of the furnaces where blown out so they would be no work especially for labourers. That would be a good reason to go back to where there was work especially if you had family there.
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Re: streets of middlesborough
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 December 08 17:57 GMT (UK) »
I ran them to ground in the Tees Tilery area - Normanby/South Bank, where the head of family was working as a labourer in the iron/steel works. Ten years later, he had gone back to Bedale where he was, once again, an ag lab. Plainly the urban style of life didn't suit them and they were fortunate enough to be able to go home to start again.

Perhaps it was simply that they couldn't settle in a new place.

Jen

Sorry, I am new to this forum, and can't find how to send a pm to Genjen.

I don't know how far back you are going here, but Normanby used to be a rural area in the early 1800's.

Tiley is part of Stockton on Tees, to the west of Middlesbrough. South Bank and Normanby, are to the east.
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