Barratt

[cando]

Deleted. info ..as Jenn has realised where I found it

[tropicalj]

Out on a limb here

by  the WW2 nominal Roll information  Raymond' fathe was  George  he  enlisted at Collingwood.

so  now  by  the Electoral  Rolls 

in  1936 living at 193 Hodell Street

George Albert BARRATT  confectioner

Grace Josephine Barratt home duties
Percival Andrew James Barratt  mantle cutter


Jenn

[cando]

Have found lots of data and our Jenn -tropicalj found the important shipping records ....under BARRETT  and independently found similar info back to the 1861 census.

I have pm'd a lot of info to SellickAust as I wasn't sure whether or not I had found the correct family...but Jenn's passenger record find has me fairly convinced so will detail here...I did work backwards but have detailed in chronological order.

I have tracked the family using Vic bdm's, IGI extracted parish records only, free bdm, Ancestry for census and electoral rolls; and cemetery records.  I will place the info in chronological order...

Marriage
BARRATT John William Smith
ASHFORD Jane
14 Jun 1831 Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England

Births

BARRATT John
Father  John William Smith
Mother  Jane  ASHFORD
Birth 30 Nov 1835
Baptism  4 Jan 1836 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwickshire

There is info on IGI for a number of chn to this couple

1841 census  HO 107/1147/3
Living at St Thomas Parish, Birmingham
BARRATT John  30   Hairdresser   Not born in  county
BARRATT Jane  30  Burnisher   Born in county
BARRATT John  6    Born in county
BARRATT George 2
Ages are rounded down to nearest r years and in I have found my ancestors' ages incorrect up to 10 years.

1851 Census
Living at 25 Wharf Street, Birmingham,
BARRATT  John  Head Married   49  Hairdresser  b. Northamptonshire, Weedon
BARRATT Jane  Wife Married 49    b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT  John Son Unm  16   cannot read occ   b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT George Son  11   b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT Betsy  Dau  9       b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT Ann    Dau  4        b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT ? Joseph/Jack  Son  1  b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
ASHFORD John  Brother in law  Unm  49  Labourer  b. Warwickshire, Birmingham

I cannot find a married for John b. 1835 to a Rosanah [may not be her correct name or perhaps a nickname.  There is one page that comes up with only a John BARRATT...and no wife named....the page with her name has not been transcribed.

Birth
1857  Sept qtr
BARRATT George Grosvenor    Birmingham 62/20


1861 Census RG9/2129/108/20
Living at Rawlins Street  No 7 Victoria Terrace
BARRATT John  Head Married 25  Gun finisher  b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT Rosanah  Wife  Married   25   b. Worcestershire, Kidderminster
BARRATT George  Son  5  Scholar  b. Birmingham, Warwickshire

Deaths Sep 1855   [Father of John Jr and husband of Jane]
BARRATT    John William Smith         Birmingham    6d   17

1861   Census 
Living at York Street  1-Court-4
BARRATT Jane  Widow  Head  52  Burnisher  b. Warwickshire Birmingham
BARRATT Ann  Dau  Unm  16  Screw Maker  b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
BARRATT Joseph    Son  12    Metal smith  b. Warwickshire, Birmingham

and thanks to tropicalj good searching skills

BARRETT Arthur J 5 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 012
BARRETT Esther 2 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 012
BARRETT Geo G 11 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 012
BARRETT John 33 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 012
BARRETT John 24 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 011
BARRETT Rosannah  32 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 012
BARRETT Walter 1 APR 1869 GREAT BRITAIN B 282 012

I didn't look for later records in England as I believe I have found the family of George Grosvenor who married in Aus

Marriage 
BARRATT George Grosvenor  b. Birmingham
COLE Mary Ann  b. Victoria
1882  Reg#1595

Births to the above couple
George Albert b.  Emerald 1883  Reg#16216
William Charles  b. Fitzroy  1885  Reg#17570
James Henry   b. Melbourne South   1888 Reg#4750
John Walker    b. Footscray   1890 Reg#13172
Edward Grosvenor  b. Footscray 1892 Reg#13526
Ruby May   b. Carlton 1894   Reg#27673
Percy Clarence  b. Carlton 1898Reg#9456
Ethel    b. Sherbrooke 1901 Reg#29978

Marriage
BARRATT George Albert  b. Melbourne
BROWN  Grace Josephine b. Victoria
1907  Reg 2318

Births to the above couple
Hazel Edith Grace  b. Footscray  1908 Reg#3419
George Alfred Joseph  b. Footscray 1909 Reg#9857
Ivy Ethel  b. Carlton  1912 Reg# 9859
Percival Andrew James  Port Melbourne 1913  Reg# 25044 *
Clarence Oliver Leslie  b. Port Melbourne 1916  Reg# 6404
and then we hope 
Raymond Albert Morel b. 20 Nov1924

Mother Grace was born in 1885 and would be have been 39 years of age in 1924.

* War Service record on
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
with NOK - wife Lorna.

And now some deaths that may or may not help validate the data

BARRATT George Grovesnor   69 years
Father John  Mother Unknown
1926  Kew Reg#5942

BARRATT Mary Ann 75 years
Father James COLE and Mother Unknown
Toorak  1937  Reg#6230

BARRATT George Albert  75 years
Father George and mother Mary Ann COLE
Hawthorn  1958  Reg#13854

BARRATT Grace Josephine  67 years
Father Joseph and  mother Keziah Unknown
Melbourne 1953 Reg# 2266

Births
BROWN Grace Josephine
Father Joseph Mother Kezia Caroline CANT
At Footscray  1885  Reg#10073

Cheers
Cando

Edit  correct sp.

[cando]

Deaths - a possibility for John born 1835 Birmingham, Warwickshire]

BARRATT John 
Father Unknown  Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
83 years  Died at Melbourne East   1918  Reg#13652

and his wife

BARRATT Rosanna
Father  George WORTHINGTON Mother Mary Ann BINGHAM
64 years  Clifton Hill   1900  Reg#1196.

Cando

[cando]

I am bumping this up...strange that a request for info made in Oct...lots of good info...but the person has not been back on line since the request.

Cando

[SellickAust]

Thank you i am starting with little info, what family members can remember

I will follow up on all these suggestions

[cando]

If you need any further help SellickAust, don't hesitate to ask...lots of keen people here

Cheers
Cando

[SellickAust]

Tropicalj

Robert Albert is my wifes grandfather, Dorothy died in 2002 so the name difference would see to be a different person

But thank you for the information, it will help greatly with sorting out the mists of time

[trentus]

I know this is an old thread but I had to add my 2 cents worth. Dorothy and Raymond (Dot and Ray) were related to me - Ray was my grandmother's brother and I believe the last survivor from their family. My grandmother was Ivy Ethel. I remember meeting Ray quite a fewtimes but wouldn't say I knew him all that well - my mother did though. Ivy died in 1997 and another brother Clarence (Uncle Clarry or 'Clacker' as he was known) lived for many years in Brisbane and died perhaps in the past 10 years. I believe Hazel died at a late age but I'm not sure exactly when.

One of the brothers died in a horse & cart accident sometime around 1920 - can't recall which one but must be George if Percival's war records are correct. It had a big effect on the family, as you might imagine. My mother has a couple of medical books given as a gift to 'George', but I'm not sure if it was their father or grandfather, in 1903 when he left for the Dandenongs to follow a religious calling. George Grosvenor had a property in Olinda, which is no longer standing but has a road named after it, so perhaps it was him

The family were raised in Crockford St Port Melbourne. (Google '48 crockford st port melbourne' and on Google Maps Streetview you'll see a row of single storey Victorian homes - I'm pretty sure it's one of those as I once saw a very old photo with the family standing out the front).

That's all I have for now. Good luck...