1841/51/61 HARRIS look up please

[lozza60]

I am hoping that someone can find

Henry Edward Harris born 1833 Great Torrington he migrated to Australia in March 1855.

I think his parents were John Harris, who may have been an Excise Man, and Eliza Makepeace. I think that they married in Gloucester in 1830.

I would love to find any information on this family eg: Henry's siblings, place of birth for his parents

Thanks in anticipation

Lozza

[jannergray]

Hi Lozza60

I think Ive got him Henry on the 1841 Census for Great Torrington, Devon.

Ancestry has transcribed him as 19 however I would put money on it that he is 9 as the enumerator or checker of the census has made a mark on the page before the age - its the same on the entry below Henry.

Anyway here is the transcription

1841 - Class: HO107; Piece 221; Book: 22; Civil Parish: Great Torrington; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 23; Page: 40

Fore Street

Thomas COWDRY - 25 - Surgeon - Y
Mary COWDRY - 20 - Y
Grace GILBERT - 20 - F.S. - Y
Henry HARRIS - 9 - Parish App - Y

I think this must mean Henry was a Parish Apprentice - althouth Im afraid I dont know what that really means... im sure someone out there will know.

I'll see if I can find him on the 1851 census now...

Graham

[karenlee]

Hi

The IGI shows a marriage for

HARRIS John Collins
MAKEPEACE Eliza
1 Feb 1830 Westbury-On-Trym Gloucestershire

Karenlee

[jannergray]

I wonder if these children are connected?

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name:    Mary Eliza Collins Harris
Father:    John Harris
Baptism:    25 Apr 1840 - Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Name:    James Robert Collins Harris
Father:    John Harris
Baptism:    2 Sep 1846 - Sevenoaks, Kent, England
   
Graham   

[krisesjoint]

Hi Lozza and Graham,

Yes I found him too Graham. Parish Apprentices were generally orphans (though not always the case - other  possibilities are they were deserted or some other reason that the parents couldn't care for them and they were dependent on the parish for their upkeep) For whatever reason the parish was responsible for them and so they were apprenticed out at an early age.  I wonder if this is a sister.

HO107/221/23 Folio 29 Page 53
Mill Street
Great Torrington

BANBERRY Charles 59 Y Yeoman
BANBERRY Grace 52 Y
BANBERRY Richard 15 Y
HARRIS Mary 10 Y
GORDON Thomas 14 Y Male Servant
DAVEY Joseph 11 Y Parish Ap

Cheers Kris  

[jannergray]

Nice one Kris!

I Missed that one! 

[lozza60]

Hi Kris and Graham

Thanks for the speedy reply.

If you have the right Henry, a parish app, it would explain his involvement  in The Ancient Order of Forresters when he was older. He became a Chief Ranger The Foresters were a non-profit organisation set up to provide financial and social benefits as well as support to members and their families in times of unemployment, sickness, death disability and old age. 

It is interesting that he may have had a sister that was also living elsewhere.

I am interested to know if you have found this family on any other census

Thanks once again for your effort

Lozza

[krisesjoint]

Hi Lozza,

Interesting about Henry and the Forresters

Sorry I can't pinpoint him in 1851. I just can't find one born in the right place. There are quite a few born at other places in Devon about the right time, some not with families but nothing stands out to me. What was his line of work in Australia?

As to John Collins HARRIS the only ones I can spot are in Cornwall

29 Jan 1809 Talland parents John and Mary

12 Nov 1809 Callington parents John and Mary

There is also listing parents as John and Mary a

Johanna Collings HARRIS 25 Dec 1807 St Martins on Looe Bay

and a

Richard Collings HARRIS 14 Oct 1810 St Stephen by Launceston

and a

George Collins HYRROSE 18 May 1820 Talland

I also note the death of a John Collins HARRIS 8 Jan 1811 St Stephen by Launceston

John HARRIS = Mary COLLINS 16 Dec 1806 Talland

one other thing is Wiltshire Quarter Sessions Marborough (Prison) 26 June 1836 John Collins HARRIS. Perhaps if you post that in Wiltshire someone may be able to help.

Cheers Kris 

[lozza60]

Hi Kris

Henry was a dealer/trader in old wares and antiques. He gave his occupation as Mariner on his marriage certificate. On the same certificate John's occupation was Excise Man, do you have any suggestions where I could follow this up.
 
The Cornwall connection could be on the right track. I seem to remember that it was suggested at one time that Eliza Makepeace might have originated in Cornwall. 

I have one more favour, are you able to find John and Eliza in the 1831 census?

Cheers
Lozza