Missing on census night?

[Ecneps]

Well as the younger sister Ellen was 10 on the 1861 census and born Galway I would imagine the family were still there for the 1851...

[digital1]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I feel so stupid missing the obvious - too much time staring at printouts and end up seeing nothing.

...except for maybe one thing, which is why I started looking at the Flaherty family.  Julia and Ellen (age 10) are lodgers with no mother in sight, and I can't find her.  I wondered about Julia's name - not that common an Irish name (Julia) - and their apparently motherless state.  However, it makes sense if Julia Flaherty is in fact Aunt Julia. She's about the right age.  Which makes her unmarried name Julia Corless (or have I missed something else obvious here?).  If that's right, it makes it a whole lot easier to identify the family in Galway.  They're not identified as nieces, though.

[Ecneps]

It might be worth posting a request on the Irish board to see if anyone can help with the Corless family pre-1861 in Galway, otherwise it's just guesswork I'm afraid.  Unfortunately sometimes census just list people as Lodgers when they are actually related, but you can't be certain of the relationship without some link by certificates etc

I see Julia was married by the 1871 census, haven't looked for Ellen, have you found her, if with the Flahertys maybe a relationship shown

Kind regards,
Barbara

[digital1]

Yes indeed, only guesswork - what I need is Julia's missing mother, or at least her name for sure.  A Catherine pops up later (roughly the right age) but again no indication of any relationship.  There's no mention of a mother on Julia's marriage cert, or that of the groom.  An Ellen Corless in Leigh married in 1866, just before Julia - it would make her about 15.  I don't have this cert yet. I'll try the Galway board again but I fear a dead end here for both John and Julia.  Thanks for all your help - I hadn't realised this census section was here until last night.  I usually just go straight to two or three specific boards (or I'd spend all night reading posts instead of researching

[Sisterjane]

Hi Digital



I take it you are talking about Julia Corless here..

You say "a Catherine pops up later..roughly the right age"

The right age for who ?

We have no Idea what Julias mother was called so how would we begin to know her age..

Marriage licenses do not have mothers name on them.

The only way you will find here mothers name is by buying Julias birth cert..or finding the parish she was born in and searching the church for either birth or christening.

Its pointless trying to guess a the mothers age..its easy to think that say Julia was born in 1848 so maybe her mother was 21..but maybe Julia had older siblings who stayed in Ireland..you just never know...

Jane 

[digital1]

Absolutely.  Too many unknowns.  No mother for Julia, no idea where in Galway she came from, no idea of previous or even other existing siblings - I'm reduced to guessing to see if following a wild card produces any information.  Thanks for trying to help, though.  It's the usual Irish history "black hole" I'm afraid.