Elizabeth Holland *completed*

[deb usa]

1901
2 Back Street, Rochdale
Thomas Holland head mar slaters labourer retired b Rochdale
Sarah wife 30
Edith dau 4
Annie dau 2
Alice dau 1
all born Rochdale.

I will search further. added ... not sure if they were travellers 

deb

[jojojnr]

 

aha relatives woo hoo

icould kiss you

[deb usa]

 

Jo ...hopefully the birth and marriage cert will confirm all of this info !

1891
123 Entwistle rd, Wardleworth, Rochdale
Asa H Holland head mar 45 iron twiner b Oldham
Ellen H wife 51
Edmund f son 22 fitter A (apprentice?)
Richard son 21     "
THOMAS son 19 maker up cotton
Betty dau 16 servant at home
James son 15 apprentice joiner
all born Rochdale

deb

[jojojnr]

thanx Deb can't wait for the marriage cert to get here so i can check this is really exciting you've been marvelous

[deb usa]

Hi Jo

I have checked back in the censuses and there seems to be no sign that they were travellers 

Asa H Holland = Asa Holt Holland ... he is very easy to trace back ...maybe other relatives were travellers or maybe Elizabeth's mum and dad became travellers after 1901 ...not sure.

the Holland's are a big gypsy family ...hopefully we can link you up with them.

deb

[deb usa]

hi again Jo

Seems that Asa Holt Holland (your gr grandmother's granddad) was born out of wedlock ...I am thinking that his dad must have been a MR. Holt 

In 1851 he is with his mum Sarah Ann Holland, b 1825 London, and has his name as Esau Holt Holland. By 1861 he has a sister name Lydia(10) and has his granny living with him , Elizabeth. Sarah Ann, the mum,  is still unmarried.

I wish the certs were already in your hands ,,,,

deb

ps ...if this is the right family Asa Holt Holland would be your gr gr gr grandad, Sarah Ann = gggg grandmother, Elizabeth = ggggg grandmother 

[jojojnr]

the marriage cert finally came and now i'm puzzed??? Elizabeths Father is called James? so its back to trawling the records for me lol x x x x

[deb usa]

Hi

Only just got your reply  sorry for the delay on getting back with you.

What was Elizabeth age on marriage and what was James, her father, his occupation?

Has her birth cert arrived yet? 

I'm really upset that we had the wrong family   ...oh well we'll try again.

deb

[jojojnr]

Right I've done some digging and there are two births registered in 1905 DEC q 1 in rochdale and 1 in chorley, also from a lovely lady on GR is a descendant of Thomas and Sarah and she thinks Thomas' Brother James had a daughter named Elizabeth and is 1 of the above but can't say which also my mother reckons she can definitely remember her uncle tom who was Elizabeth's brother so thats a bit more info at least lol

I have not sent for the cert yet as I cannot decide which 1 to send for unless I get a solid lead I'll be flipping a coin lol x x Jo x x