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Boer War medals 1900 and 1901?
« on: Saturday 04 October 08 23:15 BST (UK) »
Hi folks!

I am hoping that one more clever than I might be able to help me understand our Alfie's medals.

Amongst his discharge papers (post WW1) there were the sections below. My question is about the South Africa medals: there was a Queen's South Africa Medal and a King's South Africa Medal but which would Alf had been awarded? The dates on Alf's "South Africa" medals don't seem to match the QSA or KSA. Confusing!

Thank you in advance for your time and expertise, which is always given so generously!

Cheers

Ger :)
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Re: Boer War medals
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 October 08 23:33 BST (UK) »
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Re: Boer War medals 1900 and 1901?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 October 08 23:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ady - good info!

Ger :)
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Re: Boer War medals 1900 and 1901?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 October 08 12:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Ger

Yes it is confusing as QSA and/or KSA are not mentioned. However you will be able to tell from how long he was in SA for. If more than 18 months he would have received the SA 01 and SA02 clasps on the KSA, if less they would be on the QSA along with teh other three.

Just noticed the Johannesberg clasp. This was in May 1900, so he must have been there for more than 18 months, so "South Africa 1900" must mean the QSA, and "South Africa 1901" must mean the KSA. So he received both. They were the years they were authorised, but I have never seen them called this before.

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Re: Boer War medals 1900 and 1901?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 October 08 22:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken :)

I trawled through and found this amongst his discharge papers... the 1900-01 active service with KSLI (King's Shropshire Light Infantry) would have been the SA stint. Still, no dates so hard to know if 18 months or no! What do you think?

Thanks again :)

Ger
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Re: Boer War medals 1900 and 1901?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 October 08 07:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Again

You lucky person. Working backwards, this was written in 1917 when he was leaving the Herefordshire Regiment. He has a medal index card on the NA website - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=6452479&queryType=1&resultcount=20

Which gives the additional number 190. This would have been allocated to him in July 1908 when there was an army re-organisation which created the TF. In most units they gave out the numbers in order of seniority of rank and time served.

It seems they only had one battalion that served overseas during WW1 - http://www.1914-1918.net/hereford.htm

Prior to WW1 his only full time service was in the KSLI during the Boer War. I was wrong about the meaning of South Africa 1900 and 1901. They are the dates he served. He earned the Queens South Africa medal with clasps for Johannesberg, OFS and CC. He would also have received the date clasp “South Africa 1901”. You will have to look at the KSLI medal roll to see if 5321 was his number with them, or after his return. The testimonial isn’t clear.

When he enlisted in 1895 there were two part-time outfits in Herefordshire. The Herefordshire Militia were the 4th (Militia) Battalion of the KSLI with headquarters in Hereford. There was also the 1st Herefordshire and Radnor Volunteer Battalion, aka the 3rd VB of the KSLI. They had one company in Radnor and headquarters in Hereford.

The difference was that the VB were like the modern TA – one evening a week, maybe a weekend a month, and an annual two week camp. The Militia were different in that, after an initial 6-8 full-time training they would only meet up for a 6-8 week camp. The Militia therefore suited casual workers only, who could take two month’s off. While the VB was more like a club. From the wording I would guess that he was in the Militia before the Boer War and joined the VBs after his return. Although it does say re-joined. The Efficiency Medal awarded in 1909 was for long service.

Here are links to researching both:

= http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=26

= http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletID=147


I would also contact Herefordshire Archives and ask if they have any Militia records.

Ken

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Re: Boer War medals 1900 and 1901?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 October 08 08:44 BST (UK) »
Hi again Ken - you are just wonderful!

I love Rootschat for the generosity of time and spirit that people share here. It's a true delight to be in contact with folk who have so much knowledge about things that simply confuse the rest of us, and are willing to share that knowledge so freely and in such good spirit.

Again, thank you so very much. I shall raise a pint in your honour at the earliest convenience!

Cheers

Ger :)
EVANS, SMART, PREECE, PARTRIDGE, SYKES  (Ross-on-Wye and surrounds Herefordshire ENGLAND)
LEWIS (Llangarren Herefordshire ENGLAND)
ROBERTS (St Maughans Monmouth and Llangarron Herefs)
POWELL (Monmouth and Herefordshire)
WATKINS, JENKINS (Hentland Herefordshire)
HAMILTON, McCUTCHEN (Urney Strabane Co. Tyrone IRELAND)
McLAUGHLIN (Manorcunningham Co. Donegal IRELAND)
http://evansinherefordshire.com
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk