Donegore - Bryson-Wilson

[Pezzy]

Hi Pezzy

If your husband's line is only direct male line back to James, son of Sarah, i,e his father was a son of James, then yDNA could tell you who was the father of James. And yes your sons would get the same result if needed.

If your daughter inherited Bryson x DNA then in would only be from his mother. If your husbands mother is the  Bryson descendant then a yDNA test from your husband or sons would not help answer who was  James father.

Austosomal DNA however can answer that question and in that case you would be more likely to find answers if your husband tests as he should have more of that DNA than your children.

If my daughter inherits matches on her X chromosome which I don’t have the same matches to the other descendant …. Has she inherited them from her father? I did have two tests ancestry and my heritage and I know they can test slightly differently.

She matches on another chromosome too that I don’t. I seem to only match my daughter and the other descendant on chromosome 10 and more strongly on that chromosome than my daughter.
I thought maybe an odd coincidence but then there are so many shared matches.


Yes my husband testing would be really helpful.

[Gilby]

Here’s a sort of tree showing this branch of the family.  I’ve put some of it in square brackets because I’m not completely sure about it and I don’t want people taking it as fact.

1.   [James Bryson (c1732-1803) of Holestone]
        a.   [John Bryson (c1764-1836) who emigrated to Pennsylvania]
                i.   [James Bryson (c1797-1835) m. Anne McConnell (c1804-1875)]
                        1.   Robert Bryson (c1830-1897) m. Sarah Caldwell (c1840-1888)
                                a.   James Bryson (1861-1893)
                                b.   Mary Bryson (1862-?)
                                c.   Annie Bryson (1864-?) m. Hugh O’Hara
                                d.   Martha Bryson (18666-?) m. William Gordon
                                e.   William Bryson (1869-1938) m. Mary Allen
                                f.   Ellen Bryson (1871-?) m. John J. Nevin
                                g.   Margaret Bryson (c1872-?) m. John Foster
                                h.   Agnes Bryson (1873-?)
                        2.   Mary Bryson (c1836-1903) m. William Samuel Bell (c1829-1895)
                                a.   James Bell (c1859-1891) to Pennsylvania
                                b.   William Bell (c1861-?)
                                c.   Robert Bell (1863-?)
                                d.   ____ Bell (1865-?)
                                e.   Annie Bell (c1866-1883)
                                f.   Samuel Bell (c1872-?)
                                g.   Mary Bell (c1872-1884)
                                h.   Agnes Bell (c1880-?)
                                i.   David Bell (c1882-?)

John Bryson who went to Pennsylvania had a son James who predeceased him.  Descendants of John have autosomal DNA matches to descendants of Robert Bryson whose father was called James.  Hence the suggestion that Robert was son of the James who was son of the John who emigrated.

There are strong hints that Robert and Mary were siblings.  However, Mary’s records suggest she was born around 1836-1839, after the death of her presumed father James.  It is possible that she was born shortly after his death, say in early 1836.

[Pezzy]

Thanks so much Gilby.

I’m just looking at GEDmatch and Ftdna. I will have to watch some YouTube videos so I can use the tools to help

Xx

[Gilby]

If my daughter inherits matches on her X chromosome which I don’t have the same matches to the other descendant …. Has she inherited them from her father? I did have two tests ancestry and my heritage and I know they can test slightly differently.

She matches on another chromosome too that I don’t. I seem to only match my daughter and the other descendant on chromosome 10 and more strongly on that chromosome than my daughter.
I thought maybe an odd coincidence but then there are so many shared matches.

Yes my husband testing would be really helpful.

Your daughter will have X DNA from both you and your husband, but your husband will only have X DNA from his mother.

[lmgnz]

 Hi Pezzy

Yes  it is good to get a basic understanding of how to get the most use out of the DNA results from the Utube.  I looked at one by Mauricie Gleeson before I transferred a copy of my Ancestry DNA to FTDNA.  I also then  joined the North of ireland FTDNA project. They run DNA summer schools but I have not yet enrolled in any of those. I am considering it though, for understanding more complex techniques for cross matching people who you cannot place into a tree and so identify the source of the match.
 
Maurice Gleeson is one of the North of Ireland project administrators, and Martin McDowell  is another. Martin is one of the organsizers for the DNA summer school classes.

As Matthew said, your husband could only get (and pass on to daughters) his  x chromosome DNA from his mother. Males only have one x chromosome and they get it from their mother only.

Females have 2 x chromosomes and get them from both parents. Though your daughter shows an X chromosome match in the same chromosome as her O'Hara DNA match, it doesn't mean that it is from the Bryson line. That could only happen if it is your husband's mother who is descended from James Bryson. But even then, only if she inherited her Bryson DNA from a daughter of James. (Which is why if that was the case,  a yDNA test will not help with identifying James father as daughters do not have yDNA). 

For instance if James Bryson had a son then the son would get only his own mothers X DNA (wife of James). But would not pass that on to his sons.   So if your husband's father was a son of James then any X DNA your husband's father has could only come from the wife of James, not from Sarah. And the only X chromosome DNA your husband has, could only come from his mother.

[Pezzy]

Ahhh yes. I see.
Would be great to get him tested then.

I took ancestry and my heritage and I know the do test slightly differently. I can see some areas they don’t test.

I will need to look into it more so I get a full understanding. It’s just a bit overwhelming and it’s hard to find correct information as not many people actually know for sure.
Also free trials make me a bit more stressed. I have come across James j Nevin in the paper with his possession of a revolver. I believe he may have also drowned in 1948 and the river aged 68.

There’s a report in a newspaper in November 1918:

WM. ANDREW v. JAMES M'ALLISTER.
This action was brought by the plaintiff, who resides at Ballybamage, Co. Antrim against the detendant, wuo resides in the same locality, to recover damages for the seduction of plaintiff's adopted daughter and servant Sarah Bryson. The defendant did not appear, nor did he make any defence.
The jury found for the plaintiff, and assessed damages at £200.
Mr. Hanna,.
K.C. and Mr. M'Corry (in-
structed by Mr. James Clarke, Ballymena, appeared for the plaintiff.

Would this possibly be Sarah Bryson?
She would not of already given birth to James by this date. Not sure how long it took to report etc??
Maybe the money kept James out of the homes for children out of wedlock??!
No idea but a big coincidence if it’s not related.

X

[Kiltaglassan]

.....................
There’s a report in a newspaper in November 1918:

WM. ANDREW v. JAMES M'ALLISTER.
This action was brought by the plaintiff, who resides at Ballybamage, Co. Antrim against the detendant, wuo resides in the same locality, to recover damages for the seduction of plaintiff's adopted daughter and servant Sarah Bryson. The defendant did not appear, nor did he make any defence.
The jury found for the plaintiff, and assessed damages at £200.
Mr. Hanna,.
K.C. and Mr. M'Corry (in-
structed by Mr. James Clarke, Ballymena, appeared for the plaintiff.

Would this possibly be Sarah Bryson?
She would not of already given birth to James by this date. Not sure how long it took to report etc??
............................

..but he was already born - 27 April 1918 at Owensland, Kilbride. The informant his mother Sarah.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01282/1531326.pdf

 

[Pezzy]

Yes. Not sure how long a case or claim takes to get reported or go anywhere. Why is he cost for damages? Just wondered if that also helped to ensure the fine or fee to be out of the mother and baby home if needed?

[Pezzy]

#130

My daughter connects with a descendant from Annie O’Hara nee Bryson and also two from Martha Gordon nee Bryson.

So that's something. Even establishing the that tree has been a mystery. All Sarah’s family knew was her mother was Ellen and that was it. Don’t even think the surname was mentioned.

There must be someone in the families that may know something I hope.

Does anyone have advice on their favourite platforms to search for information etc?
Thanks
Xx