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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #153 on: Tuesday 03 September 24 09:27 BST (UK) »

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In between those are daughters Martha b 1866 and Ellen b 1871 @ Ballymarlow.

Note that both girls were born at Ballymarlagh, Ballyclug (SE of Ballymena).
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/ballyclug/ballyclug/ballymarlagh/

Martha - 13 August 1866.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03521/2295324.pdf

Ellen - 12 February 1871.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03313/2214262.pdf


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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #154 on: Saturday 07 September 24 15:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Pezzy

I hope Threekids sees this soon as I believe the Ellen Bryson whose family you are interested in, is related to her.

If you note reply # 130 then we are talking about the family Robert Bryson and Sarah Caldwell of Ballymarlow.

John W. Bryson (c1764-1836)
---- James Bryson (c1800-c1835)
-------- Robert Bryson (c1830-1897) m. Sarah Caldwell
-------- Mary Bryson (c1838-1903) m. William S. Bell

If I have it right then Threekids has DNA matches in the families of daughters Annie Bryson b 1864 who married Hugh O'Hara and Agnes Bryson born 1873 who married John Foster.

In between those are daughters Martha b 1866 and Ellen b 1871 @ Ballymarlow. You will find Martha's 1886 marriage to William Gordon on either page 15 or 16 of this thread. It is Martha who registered the birth of Ellen's daughter Sarah.

I have not traced either family further from this point but Threekids may have more information on the families of her DNA matches.

Robert Bryson then of Ballyclaverty (and later father of Ellen and sisters) married Sarah Caldwell on 13 Sep 1860 at Parkgate Donegore.

I hope this helps

Linda

I think Robert's Will names his son William Bryson of Ballymarlow, as one of his executors.  Robert died 1897.


Hi :)

Yes this is right.
Sorry I didn’t get a notification of any replies. I’m so sorry.

So since the post my daughters DNA has come back also mine has too.
It is her great grandad James “Jim” Bryson (Watkins) - son of Sarah Bryson father unknown.

Just to create another headache my dna like my daughter’s seems to match with a descendant from Annie O’Hara.
Sarah and Ellen Bryson etc are on my husband’s side. So somewhere my family seems connected in a distant way.
Either Irish or Scottish. I’m not sure atm.

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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #155 on: Saturday 07 September 24 15:44 BST (UK) »
#130 for the replies above 😂
I’m not great at this at all.
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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #156 on: Saturday 07 September 24 16:01 BST (UK) »
Regarding Threekids post# 133 about this family there are a few things that have possibly altered since that post (at least in my mind)

Firstly I think Robert Bryson was the son of James Bryson and Ann McConnell of Ballyvoy (not Martha) and they married at 1st Donegore on 18 Jan 1829.

Ann Bryson, widow of Ballybracken, married again in 1850 to a Malcolm Barkely of Ballyclaverty. This is how I think Robert Bryson and his sister Mary came to be at Ballyclaverty when they married.

Ann Barkley died 1875 aged 71  at Ballywoodock and her death was registered by William Bell.
 
Secondly the death of Ellen Byrson listed by Threekids is not for the correct Ellen Bryson as she was alive when her children Sarah and Robert were born and again later when she married at Ballymena and later again in 1911.

#130

Did Ann McConnell die during childbirth?
I’ve read somewhere that this may have been the case and that James then married Martha which may have been Ann’s sister??

Also I’ve read that Martha may have married another James Bryson after the first one died.


It’s really confusing.

The Tilly mentioned in Robert’s will: is she the daughter of Annie Bryson before Annie married Hugh O’hara?

She’s living with her uncle James Bryson later on and her aunt is only a year older than her.

On Tilly’s marriage to Mooney she lists her father as a Hugh Bryson.


I’m not sure who the father for Sarah Bryson is 100%. Maybe John J Nevin who puts him at 16 years old and becoming a father. Then 2 years later Robert Bryson / Nevin is born but both Sarah and Rob are with just Ellen in 1901.

Martha Gordon registered Sarah’s on behalf of Ellen.

Sarah did visit Ireland with her youngest son she had with her husband in England. However she never saw her mother and nothing was talked about.
Robert Bryson, Sarah’s brother came to live with her and her family in Coventry. Apparently he called himself Robert Nevin but his recorder as a Bryson officially. I’m so surprised no one asked more back then. They wouldn’t cope with me at all. 😂

The it seems Sarah moves in with the Andrew family at Owensland. She’s a visitor but Margaret who died before the 1911 census was apparently a Bryson. So that’s a connection.
Sarah’s son James Bryson is born at the house in owensland so that’s interesting too.
Who was his father as it’s been a mystery.
She then left him somewhere in Ireland. She came back when she married someone in England and took him to live with her. The step father added his surname of the birth certificate document and so all James Bryson's (Watkins) descendants are now called Watkins 😂


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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #157 on: Saturday 14 September 24 13:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Pezzy

I think that Threekids originally believed that James Bryson perhaps married both McConnell's and that Martha married two different James Brysons, but I have a different take on that.

The James Bryson who married Ann McConnell was I believe the James Bryson who died young  and his father John W Bryson left money for his children.

No Ann McConnell did not die in childbirth and later married again in 1850 to Malcolm Barclay of Ballyclaverty.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09380/5397279.pdf

Ballyclaverty is where Ann's two children Robert and Mary Bryson were  living when they married

Mary Bryson of Ballyclaverty, daughter of James Bryson, married William Samuel Bell on 20 May 1858 at Parkgate
Robert Bryson of Ballyclaverty, son of James Bryson married Sarah Caldwell of Holestone on 13 Sep 1860 at Parkgate

I would have to read Robert's Will because I do not know about Tilly, which is a form of Matlida.

It is interesting that Ellen's son Robert was born at Owensland.

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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #158 on: Saturday 14 September 24 14:13 BST (UK) »
The birth of an unnamed child to Annie Bryson in 1883, born at Ballymarlagh, registered by Sarah could be the Matilda Bryson named in Robert's Will,
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02739/2006928.pdf

LauraOharaWilson loaded an image of that birth  record into Ancestry in 2016 under the name Tilly. No father named.

I suspect that the Hugh "Bryson" listed as her father was actually Hugh O'Hara

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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #159 on: Saturday 14 September 24 17:25 BST (UK) »
#130
Yes Laurel Wilson is a relation to my daughter (who is the great great granddaughter of Sarah Bryson. This is my husband’s side of the family.) However I also seem to have a connection to Laurel so not I’m very confused.

Where is Martha Bryson on all this and what is the connection with Owensland: Margaret Andrew nee Bryson etc?
Seems a big mystery.

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I’m trying to work out how my family may be connected as a there’s a dna connection.


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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #160 on: Saturday 14 September 24 22:14 BST (UK) »
John W Bryson of Ballywee who emigrated to the USA was a brother of James Bryson of Holestone. Their father was another James Bryson. Both brothers had sons named James Bryson.

There is a tombstone erected by James Bryson of Holestone (brother of John) which names two of the children of James Bryson and Martha McConnell as his grandchildren. James Bryson b c1803 of Holestone who married Martha McConnell in 1831 was therefore a nephew of James Bryson of Ballywee and cousin of James Bryson of Ballybracken who married Ann McConnell.

James Bryson of Ballywee had sold his property in Ballywee, and purchased property in McVickersland Ballybracken, sometime before he left for the USA in 1830. It would appear that His son James Bryson remained in McVickersland and appears there in the 1833 Tithes and married Ann McConnell in 1829. .

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Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« Reply #161 on: Saturday 14 September 24 23:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks :)

Does anyone know anything about Ellen Bryson 1871 and not sure when she died…
She married John James Nevin in 1901. I wondered if he was Sarah and Robert Bryson’s father out of wedlock. 1901 they are living with Ellen but later in 1901 Ellen and John marry. However John is a lot younger than Ellen. If he had fathered Sarah and Robert before marriage he would have been pretty young.
Yet on the census in 1911 Robert “bob” is now Nevin and Sarah is still Bryson but living or visiting the Andrew’s at Owensland. Sarah later goes on to have a son there called James Bryson in 1918. That’s my husband’s grandad and the father was unknown.
  I’m not sure if there were people that knew something or where to find any info.

Thanks
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