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Offline Margot3

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1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« on: Monday 31 January 05 03:36 GMT (UK) »
I am seeking William HOLLINGWORTH on the 1891 census.  He would be about 40 years old, probably married to Kathleen, and may have a daughter Eliza aged under 2 years. 

He was born in Smalley, DBY, but may have moved to Elton by 1891. 

Thank you in advance to any kind soul willing to do a lookup.

Margot in Canada

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 January 05 07:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Margot

I can't find them in 1891.  Is he the William HOLLINGWORTH age 30 b.Smalley son of John & Eliza in 1881 Derbyshire?

Do you have William/Kathleen/Eliza in 1901 or any idea when/where Kathleen & Eliza were born?

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 February 05 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Margot

I have found these entries on the government census site http://www.census.pro.gov.uk

It is a pay per view site so you will need to pay to see the actual image to get family relationships etc. and check the info in the index.  It seems evident that they are all on the same page of the census but you will need to check that they are all the same family:

1901 in Cockerton (Durham)

Edith HOLLINGWORTH 2 b.Darlington Durham
Eliz HOLLINGWORTH 10 b.Elton Durham
Kate HOLLINGWORTH 29 b.Darlington Durham
Mary HOLLINGWORTH 7 b.Rodhurst Yorkshire
Wm HOLLINGWORTH 31 b.Smalley Derbyshire brick yard labourer

Note the difference in William's age (20 years out from what you have) - it needs checking.

This is the 1881 entry that I found:

Ashes Farm, Low Dinsdale, Durham

John HOLLINGWORTH head mar 63 wighman (ironworks) b.West Hallum Derby
Eliza wife 62 b.West Hallum Derby
James SHOLLON/SHOTTEN son in law mar 27 ag lab b.Morton Palms  Durham
Mary A dau 26 b.Stanley Derby
John grandson 3 b.Fishing Locks? Derby
William HOLLINGWORTH son unm 30 lab (ironworks) b.Smalley Derbyshire

RG11/4890 folio 91 page 33

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Casalguidi


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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 February 05 12:58 GMT (UK) »
I have them in 1891 I think - as Fletcher ??? Is this Kate's maiden name? I wonder if they were not yet married or whether the head of household was a relative who knew Kate better as Fletcher ...
Thanks to Casalguidi for the 1901 which enabled me to find them easily.


RG12 4005 103 14
9 Princess Street Middlesborough
Maria Anderson head widow 30 Middlesborough (as were her children)
F. J. Anderson son 6
W.H. Anderson son 6
M.J.H.Anderson dau 5
J.W.H. Anderson son 3
W. Fletcher lodger married 29 labourer Samaly Derbyshire
Kate Fletcher lodger married 25 Darlington Durham
Eliza Fletcher lodger 8mos Elton Durham
Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 February 05 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Forgot to say ...those ages are a real problem aren't they? Worth spending money and taking a look at the 1901
Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett
Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray
Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood
Derbyshire: Starbrook
Somerset: Willmott, Elliott
Cork:Driscoll, Murphy
London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman
London Kent:Cheesman
Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 February 05 13:46 GMT (UK) »
This is the 1881 entry that I found:

Ashes Farm, Low Dinsdale, Durham

John HOLLINGWORTH head mar 63 wighman (ironworks) b.West Hallum Derby
Eliza wife 62 b.West Hallum Derby
James SHOLLON/SHOTTEN son in law mar 27 ag lab b.Morton Palms  Durham
Mary A dau 26 b.Stanley Derby
John grandson 3 b.Fishing Locks? Derby
William HOLLINGWORTH son unm 30 lab (ironworks) b.Smalley Derbyshire

RG11/4890 folio 91 page 33

Best wishes

Casalguidi

And the same family in 1871

Woodland Farm, Dinsdale, Durham

Eliza HOLLINGWORTH, 53, Married,  West Hallam, Derbyshire
John HOLINGWORTH, 54, Married, Head, Farm Hind, West Hallam, Derbyshire
John HOLLINGWORTH, 27, Labourer Ironworks, Smalley, Derbyshire
William HOLLINGWORTH, 19, Farm Labourer, Smalley, Derbyshire

Just for information, they are on the page, if not living next door to a Joseph William Eastwood, whose occupation is described as 'M.A. University of Edinburgh, Physician, proprietor of Licensed House for the Insane and farmer 108 acres' (Ainsdale Retreat Asylum).

Paul

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 February 05 13:48 GMT (UK) »
 ??? Wonder if there were two children called William, one older and one younger?

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 February 05 03:31 GMT (UK) »
Family lore says that Kate's maiden name was Feeley.  Another source says she was born in Bradford, YKS, not Darlington, DUR (so there's another inconsistency to figure out).   Could FEELEY be the surname in the 1891 census in Middlesborough, rather than FLETCHER? 

I got the page from the 1901 census-  William is in fact listed as age 31 (not 51 as I'd expected).  His wife is 29, and children aged 10, 7 and 2 (which is about what you'd expect of  a couple aged 31 & 29, not 51 & 29).   I'm beginning to think like the possibility of there being 2 Williams - one married Kat from Darlington and the other married Kate from Bradford.  HOLLINGWORTH was a common name in Derbyshire.

Thanks to all of you -- Casalguidi, Heather B, Paul E -- for all your lookups and helpful ideas.   

Margot

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Re: 1891 census lookup please: HOLLINGWORTH
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 February 05 07:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Margot

Heather's 1891 entry is definitely correct - it says FLETCHER without a doubt.  Forenames and birthplaces fit, it is just the surname. 

There doesn't appear to be another William HOLLNGWORTH born Smalley in any of the census 1871-1891 who could be a likely candidate.

Do you have Eliza's marriage certificate?  Are there any clues on there?

Elton (Eliza's given birthplace) comes under the registration district of Stockton.  There is an Eliza HOLLINGSWORTH (with and "S") birth registered Sep quarter 1890 Stockton registration district ref. 10a 92.  This Eliza would have been born May/Jun/Jul/Aug/Sep 1892 so would have been between 7 and 10 months old at the time of the 1891 census.  She could very well be the one in the 1891 and 1901 census but it's uncertain.

There isn't any Kat...... or Cat....... HOLLINGWORTH from Bradford showing up that would fit.  If it is only family heresay that puts Kate as being born in Bradford then the legend  could be wrong?

I think that the 1901 and 1891 are quite probably the same family but need further investigation. 

Best wishes

Casalguidi
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