Building ID Please (if possible??)

[gazza]

Thanks for all your responses so far.I'm amazed how quick you guys come up with information!!
As you say pam the speke hall does look the most promising.Pattern matches etc..
Counting the panels seems to match up, bridge looks good. Is Speke hall pretty unique in that style of architecture?
I've no rellys from Liverpool that I'm aware of.
The plot thickens!!

[Little Nell]

I agree with Pam - its Speke Hall.  The site she directs you to has quite a good match for the gable you can see.

Nell

[acorngen]

woo hoo the picture as come up   I have to say Speke Hall looks favourite.

Just to pick up a few points made in the thread now I can see it.  Vernacular buildings ( timber framed) are not all Elizabethan and the style of that property isn't in the Elizabetham style it is earlier which would be born out by the date of Speke Hall.  Medieval halled houses of which this fits into started after the Norman conquest and the additions of chimneys and a complete floor over the ground floor level occurs in different areas at different times.  For example chimneys ( which lead to the hall   being floored over ) start in London in the 15th century and in Sussex in the 16th century.  If your interested in the Southern Vernacular buildings you can do no better than reading any book on the subject by DAvid and Barbara MARTIN who reside in Robertsbridge East Sussex.  For thirty years they have been advisors to EH and are a part of the Institute of London which are the head body of the Field Unit based in Sussex.  They also lecture on the subject at the University of Sussex which was where I had the pleasure of meeting them and studying with them.  The second place is a visit to the Weald and Downland open air museum nr Chichester.  There you will see original vernacular buildings reconstructed in their original form.  You can on the right days see them restoring old buildings using techniques that have come from the middle ages.
Dating of vernacualr buildings is a very contentious subject I feel.  Most are not in their original form and have been added to or changed over the years.  It wasn't uncommon for the whole family to move to one end of the house whilst they ripped down the opposite end and replaced it a new.  This renders Dendrochronology as only a date which that particular timber was felled and doesn't allow the dating of the original building. Again confusing is the reuse of timbers in particular ship timbers.  As you can probably tell these are one of my interests and before I bore people with more useless detail I will end this post

Rob

[Boongie Pam]

Everything from Liverpool is unique!

 

I'm not an expert but I would try to find other places just to get a fuller picture of the possibilities.  I don't remember the wall of the bridge being as tall as your picture - I'm sure I climbed on t about 6 or 7.

Google time for Tudor buildings!

P

PS POsted this before GenRes above!  Who is an expert!!!! LOL

[gazza]

having a quick google,there is no fantastically detailed picture of Speke hall,but one I did find seems to show the little inset area  on the bridge in which they appear to be sitting.
Coincidently I have had a reply on GC from a query I made regarding PURT surname,one of my grans sisters married name. She says initially that the Purts she has in the tree are from St Helens area. I wont get my hopes up but does sound promising.

[acorngen]

Everything from Liverpool is unique!

 

I'm not an expert but I would try to find other places just to get a fuller picture of the possibilities.  I don't remember the wall of the bridge being as tall as your picture - I'm sure I climbed on t about 6 or 7.

Google time for Tudor buildings!

P

PS POsted this before GenRes above! Who is an expert!!!! LOL

Nope not an expert far from it.  I just have an insatiable appetite for the buildings and read what I can on anything to do with it.  Ok I did receive a 96% mark for the 3000 word paper I wrote on the subject.  There is still lots I don't know about Verncaular buildings.

Archaeology was my first love and still is.  Genealogy my second and now profession

Rob

[RJ_Paton]

Speke Hall does remain a possibility as its web site http://www.spekehall.org.uk/the_grounds.htm speaks of parts of the grounds being reinstated in 1984 to correspond with an old 1900's photograph

[RJ_Paton]

see www.aidan.co.uk/photos8-Houses.php for some views of Speke Hall
and http://www.visitliverpool.com/displayProduct.asp?productKey=55084
has a photo showing the approach with possibly the wall that features.

[gazza]

Thanks all for all your input. I have now forwarded my photos to my Liverpool contactee,who apparently lives not far from Speke Hall. She will then forward them in turn to what will hopefully be some long lost relly's.
Fingers crossed.
Couldnt have done it wivouchya!