Cruddas / Cruddace family from Newcastle

[Chrislats]

Finally received marriage certificate for William Cruddace (spelling now Cruddes) to Isabella Brown. His father is shown as William, a labourer, which matches the birth certificate. However, if the 1871 census is the right one and he is living with grandmother Jane Savage (or Charge on 1861) I had expected his father to have died before 1871. It doesn't say deceased on the marriage certificate in 1875. Would they have always recorded if the father was deceased? I know they do on the later certificates I've got. I suppose father might not have died and William and his siblings were just visiting grandmother in 1871, but that doesn't explain where William senior has disappeared to!

Both witnesses are members of the Brown family so while they give me a lead on Isabella's ancestors it doesn't move me forward very much with William's.

Any suggestions where to look next would be greatfully received.

Thanks a lot
Chrislats

[JenB]

I had expected his father to have died before 1871. It doesn't say deceased on the marriage certificate in 1875. Would they have always recorded if the father was deceased?

It is definitely not the case that if the father was deceased it was always recorded on the marriage certificate. I have several examples in my own ancestry to prove this point.  Quite often, it seems, this fact was entered only if the information was actually offered by the bride or groom, otherwise it was ignored.

So it is quite possible that William was indeed dead by the time of the marriage, or even perhaps by the time of the 1871 census.

[JenB]

It doesn't say deceased on the marriage certificate in 1875. Would they have always recorded if the father was deceased?

see
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04i1/
and
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04i2/

[Chrislats]

Thanks for that. They don't make it easy for us do they?

I did find a couple of deaths for William Cruddas in 1860s, guess I'll have to start ordering death certificates. This could work out quite expensive!

Chrislats

[sillgen]

Write to the office where the deathwas registered and say you only want it if it is husband of x and they usually send your cheque back if it is the not the right one.  Unlike the GRO who charge to check for you.
Andrea

[Chrislats]

Thanks for that advice. I've only dealt with GRO before.

Chrislats

[spot]

I am also new, I found this entry through googling my name
that is to say I am William Cruddace also as was my father who was born February of 1918 however we are Sunderland Cruddaces

[kstead]

i am looking for Cruddace's in Sutherland, any info you have would be excelent.

i am stuck with a Robert and Catherine Cruddace, who were 30 in the 1841 census..

i am not sure how to trace back any further (i am new to this)

[Chrislats]

Hi

Thought I'd give an update to my Cruddas family. I finally found the baptisms of William's older brothers in Carlisle - they were shown as George and James Carruthers! No wonder I couldn't find them. I have read that Cruddas and the various other spellings are all derived from Carruthers, which originates in Dumfries, Scotland.

I have also found the burial record for William's mother Elizabeth Cruddas (nee Nixon) in 1859 in Newcastle, which explains why she's missing from 1861 census. The rest of the family are living in Bankside, Newcastle, as shown in an earlier posting (thanks for that one JenB). I checked all the burial records for William Cruddas after 1861, but none match up with his age on 1861 census.

I also managed to find William's grandmother Jane Savage in 1851, she was a widow and still called Nixon but visiting a Patrick Savage in Carlisle, so I'm guessing they married, hence the name change. She had grandson George age 3 with her, but no sign of his parents William and Elizabeth. I've tried every variation of spelling I can think of, including Carruthers, but can't find them anywhere.

I've really hit a brick wall now, so would be grateful if anyone has any suggestions what to try next.

Thanks a lot
Chris Lats