A mystery ??

[cymbeline]

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Hi all,

i live on the continent and just bought a victorian mourning brooch which i found on a fleamarket which  quite intrigues me.  Its made of gold and surrounded in pearls with 2 different hair colours.   Inscribed on the back is the following:  To the affectionate memory of Frederick Silver died Oct. 7th 1864 in his 82nd year.   Also of Hannah Silver died Jan. 4th 1867 aged 80. 

Enough info. to find them on the census - only i'm not signed up at the mo. so cant access the actual cencus record for more details : -(

Does anybody think there are relatives around today who would be interested in it.   Would it be worth the bother of trying to find anyone - what do you think.  I've asked for help a couple of times before and have only met lovely people...so i wondered if you would enjoy a mystery.  I just wonder how it ended up in the middle of Europe?

Regards
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[meles]

Middle of Europe? Where did you find it?

meles

[Nutty1966]

1861 RG9 378 139 19

Has a Frederick Silver with wife Hannah, in Camberwell, Surrey, just off to eat dinner so maybe someone else can post the details



Jane

[cymbeline]

Good evening Meles,

i found it on a trip to Germany.

Regards

[mosiefish]

Hi,

There is also a public members tree on A******y that has him and his wife Hannah Bye listed.  I don`t know if you can you access this without membership or not.  Last updated on 21st September so it is still current.

Mo

[genjen]

Here are the details from 1861

2, De Crespigny Park, Camberwell
Frederick Silver, 78, Minister ( Dissenting), Middlesex, London
Hannah, wife 74, London, Black ?
Sara Udall, dau, 51, wife to Fundholder, Islington
Frances Silver, dau, 38, unm, No occupation, Brighton, Sussex
Lydia Smith granddau, 31 unm   "     "             Westminster
Charlotte Albroth(?) 31, Cook, Oxford, Stanton
Emma Shepherd, 29, House Servant, Surrey, Camberwell


Jen

[Hackstaple]

That is a splendid find. I wonder if it would be possible to trace any descendants. The 1861 census makes it look as though we may not find any direct descendants with the name Silver and Lydia was unmarried age 31 and if she did marry that line might be hard to trace.
However, Mo has seen something that does indicate possible direct descendants.
I see neither of the parents in 1851 but in 1841 Frederick and Hannah are with Frederick, a son presumably, b. 1812. There is also a young Benjamin, 3, perhaps a grandson and a 30 year old Hannah Heydon [a married daughter?].

The trouble is that I do not find that Frederick, the son in later censuses.

[Hackstaple]

Tombstone inscription from St. Georges, Beckenham:

Hannah widow of Frederick SILVER 4 January 1867 the anniversary of her 80th birthday. Her last words "He is my Salvation and my glory". Frederick Silver 7 October 1864 in his 82nd year. F J Silver 21 June 1865 in 53rd. Francis Grace Silver 20 September 1884 aged 62

So that is the son Frederick born 1812 and we can see that Frances from the 1861 census never married.

[Aniseed]

What a fabulous find! I'd be happy to contact the owner of the tree on Ancestry for you, and give them the link to this page so they can get in touch with you if they're interested in it. Let me know if you'd like me to do this. Alternatively someone who's got a sub to Genes Reunited could search on there. I haven't, so I can't do it for you myself.