Robert HUTTON/ Catherine DOWNEY late 19th century

[tropicalj]

Hi  there  Welcome  to  this  long and valuable  thread

IF  you  have  John Thomas  Huttons"
 death certificate and  you  have the date of  death  perhaps  a search  of  the local  paper  might have  an  obituary or a  write up

What was his date of death  if you  have  it please

thanks  Jenn

[Siouxsie]

Greetings......it has been forever since I have been here........but I thought I should reply.

JADBATES....."I notice that reply 128 refers to the 'family legend' re Ellen disappearing." All the family believed that Ellen abandoned the family. However Ellen was admitted on 16 June 1891 to the New Norfolk Mental Institution in Hobart just after Robert's birth in 1891 and she remained there until April 29, 1897. (these records are available online)
I know she had another 4 children after she left the asylum, one who she claims as John's but by my records he was well settled in Corowa by then.
I have never heard the story of Robert being abandoned by his father.......I do know that in Corowa the children were cared for by the nuns in the town.

TROPICALJ
There are two John Thomas HUTTONS.

The father (my great grandfather).....John Thomas HUTTON died in Inverell in 2 June 1946 (Certificate number 10031/1946) and I have seen a write up somewhere.
The son (my grandfather) died in his nursing home on the Northern Beaches of NSW on 16 January 1958 (Certificate number  2061/1958). I have never seen an obit..........HOWEVER..........and this is the really exciting stuff!

My grandfather, John Thomas Hutton (Jack) was heavily featured in the State Library of NSW Exhibition of WW1 diaries as his diaries were considered to be amazing examples of war diaries, and I was invited by Sunrise (who I knocked back)...and I accepted invitations by SMH (front page), ABC (a 2 minute interview segment on the news), and ABC radio......a very small sound grab on Richard Glover's special.
I was recently approached by a documentary producer and there will be a doco in April featuring 2 minutes of my grandfather's diary. I have supplied photos for this.

I am currently writing my father's funeral (as a celebrant I get to do his service tomorrow...he is a Shepherd), and he kept saying he wanted to be with his wonderful Rose........who is Jack's daughter.

Cheers
Susie

[tropicalj]

So  sorry  to  hear  of the  death  of your  father Susie  please asccept  my deepest sympathy

I did remember there were indeed two John Thomas  Huttons

I should have been more specific  and  referred  my comments  thus to  Merrelyn  ...

A wonderfull  history  and thread 

warm regards Jenn 

[Jadbates]

Thank you Jenn and Susie.

As you mentioned, this is a most wonderful and extensive post. So the John Thomas HUTTON that I am interested in is the mystery person - only in that it is a mystery what happened to his children after 1898 - who was born in 13 October 1863 in Gluepot, Blue Mountain, Victoria and died in Inverell, New South Wales on the 2 June 1946. He had four children with Ellen Keleher, of whom one was Robert Francis HUTTON (1891-1998).

So, Susie, your great grandfather, John Thomas is the also the great grandfather of  my son-in-law, Ryan.

Thank you on the information re Ellen in the asylum and the children being looked after by the nuns in Corowa. Do you know when John Thomas arrived in Corowa?

Obviously, with Ellen going into the asylum just after Robert's birth, someone must have looked after the children and Robert would only have been a baby.

Obviously a bit more searching to do.

Thank you again. My thoughts are with you Susie.

Kind regards
Merrelyn

[Siouxsie]

Hi Merrelyn,
John Thomas (Senior) was listed as a shopkeeper in Corowa (by memory it was in a gazette) before Ellen was released from the asylum, but when he moved across, I have no idea of the exact date.
It is possible that the Kellehers (Ellen's family) looked after the kids while John worked.......both parents were still alive and in Waratah.
John's father had died in 1880 and his mother had remarried in 1883 and subsequently (but I am not yet sure when) moved to Victoria where she died.......her story is pretty amazing......so, my bet would be that it was either friends or Ellen's family that looked after the kids in Waratah.
John (senior) also remarried.......and had more children and I am still in touch with his grand daughter from that marriage. His 2nd marriage certificate states that he is a widower, but I cannot locate a death for Ellen anywhere for him to claim that.
When I have some more time, I will re-read this thread and fill in some of the gaps.
I am assuming that Ryan is John's  (Senior) son Robert's grandson?
I have attached a photo of John (Senior) with one of his sons........and I don't know if it is my grandfather, John (Jack) or Robert......but here he is in all of his glory.

Cheers
Susie

[Jadbates]

Thank you Susie. I have seen a photo of Ryan's father when he was a young man and the similarity - to me - is quite uncanny. I will start following up to see if I can find the Corowa information.

Kind regards
Merrelyn

[cando]

John started out as a tin dresser at the Bischoff Tin Mine in Waratah, Tas before becoming a barber/tobacconist and then set up a shop in Waratah. He then moved to Corowa, again opening a barber/tobacconist shop before he settled finally in Inverell NSW where he again opened a barber/tobacconist shop.....in his spare time he apparently was a trapeze artist!

Susie on a another thread


http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article150324277
Mr John HUTTON, hairdresser, Waratah 1890

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article39545723
Same incident but John is described as a hairdresser and tobacconist.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article90228350
Launceston Examiner  24 Mar 1893
FOR SALE-The well-known barbering  and tobacconist business owned by Mr John Hutton, Main-street, Waratah, doing a first-class trade, owner leaving the district.
Particulars from E. GOLDSMITH, Waratah.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99420200
Mention of a John HUTTON at Corowa in 1897

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99972170
John HUTTON a tobacconist at Corowa 1898

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99849882
A John HUTTON involved in an accident 1900

New South Wales Electoral Roll 1903
HUTTON John Thomas  Corowa  Barber

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99839580
John HUTTON sells his shop 1907

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article98791006 1908    Not apparent in your photo so doubtful it is your John.
Inverell, Tuesday.- John Hutton, a hairdresser, was driving with some friends on Sunday last, when a greyhound which he had in the vehicle attempted to jump out, and got entangled in the wheel. Hutton tried to release hint, but the brute snapped Hutton's hand, biting the middle finger of the right hand clean off below the nail. Hutton subsequently had the finger amputated at the first joint.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16801452
Fire destroys John HUTTON hairdressing shop Inverell  1931

There's probably more but it's late for me

Cando

[Siouxsie]

Hi Cando,
Many thanks.........you are amazing!

And yes, I think it is the same one who lost his finger as my photo would have been taken years before.

I am knackered after the funeral. Shattered actually, so today I will just rest. xxxx

Susie

[cando]

Hi Susie

Yes rest...a very emotional time for you.  We need a hug smiley on here. 

I decided to trawl the newspapers as Merrelyn was interested in any evidence from his time in Corowa.

Perhaps we found some of this previously Susie.  Can't remember and I don't think our earlier emails survived the transfer when I installed my latest computer.

Cheers
Cando