Robert HUTTON/ Catherine DOWNEY late 19th century

[tropicalj]

Hello  there Dee

Lots on  the Electoral  Roll  but  not  inclinded  to start typing  unless  they  may  be  of some  help and as you  say  Ian  may have access. 

We will  have  to see if  the family names of  the children  tie  in

Susan  Downey  died in WA

death

DOWNEY SUSAN aged 39 father WILLIAM mother UNKNOWN at GUILDFORD  reg no 853 1899

death for DOWNEY JONATHAN  aged 11 father JAMES HENRY HOR mother UNKNOWN UNKNOWN reg no  938 1895

[tropicalj]

a couple more  births in Western Australia

DOWNEY ELIJAH HAYNES father  JAMES HENRY HOR mother HOWELL SUSAN  at  PERTH  reg no  2141 1894

DOWNEY ISAIAH BENJAMIN father  JAMES mother HOWELL SUSAN at FREMANTLE  reg no  1312 1897

jenn

[gennig]

Hi Ian

Tropicalj pm'd and asked me to check this thread. 

I see Mary & Catherine arrived assisted passengers, so i'll check the passenger list for you.

I won't be able to go up this week as my daughter goes in for a knee reconstruction and is coming home to convalesce for a couple of weeks. 

regards


Genni

[yelkcub]

Many thanks for all your amazing help - most recently for the details of James Henry Horace Downey – as you say, a bit of a lad! I am quite sure that he is a brother of Catherine and Mary Eliza (given his father’s name on the marriage record, and the family significance of each of his forenames), and I looked up his burial record, as you suggested. A couple of weeks ago, when I first picked up the Downey-in-Australia trail, I had an email from someone in Australia (WA, I think) who said that James was her great grandfather, though she didn't mention that he had emigrated to Australia. She wrote:

“James and Theresa were about 8 and 4 years old when their mother Mary T(h)eresa died in 1854 and were raised in the workhouse. James was born 29th March 1846 (address unknown and not registered) but on one of his children’s birth certificates he states he was born in Devonshire, but more likely in or around Devonshire Street. He appears to be unsure of his proper year of birth, his death certificate states he was aged 95 when he died in June 1943, but was actually 97”.
[This is clearly the same person as in the burial record you pointed me towards. The age in the Australian records is not quite right, but James wouldn’t be the first man to lie about his age!]

I have written back to the person who wrote the above, and am waiting for her reply, hoping it may cast some light on when (and why) James came to Australia. I don’t think he accompanied his two sisters on board the Sacramento, but it seems likely that he joined one or both of them when he first landed in Australia.

In fact I do have a subscription to Ancestry, but not one that permits detailed perusal of the Australian electoral registers – perhaps I should upgrade now that I have found a family outside the UK. But for now I’m more than happy with what you have been kind enough to find for me already.

I’m interested in why he was given the name Horace: as I’ve written before, Mary Teresa had a brother Horace Haverhill Page, and her brother’s son (my ancestor) was Charles Horace Page.
Ian

[deeiluka]

Ian, here's the information I can find from the early Electoral Rolls......

1916
Wellaton St Midland Junction, Guildford
James Henry Horace Downey Storeman

Sayer St Midland Junction, Guildford
Ezekial Job Downey railway fireman

1925
Wellaton St Midland Junction, Guildford
James Henry Horace Downey Storeman

45 The Crescent, Midland Junction, Guildford
Elijah Haynes Downey Locomotive fireman
Isiah Benjamin Downey Engine driver

Brockman Road, Midland Junction, Guildford
Ezekial Joseph Downey Loco driver
Sarah Amelia Downey Housewife

[tropicalj]

Hello  there Ian

not  sure of  the children's names for Henry  Page

but  bearing in  mind  there is a James

marriage in SA
PAGE  James aged 26 single father  unrecorded married 18/2/1851 at Holy Trinity Church Adelaide 4/244 to ALLEN Susan Elizabeth


Now I  relaise  that James PAge would be a very common  however he does call  one of  his sons James Horace Page.   

Jenn

[deeiluka]

Again, I can find no mention of Horace Page in BISA, and the James that Jenn has just listed was listed as follows...... (Information from BISA shoild always be checked.)

James PAGE
born 8th Oct 1825 in London, ENGLAND
died 30th Sep 1913 at Mitcham SA
arrived in  1850 on board the JANE
0ccupation = Accountant, Consul for France and Switzerland, Businessman
Resided in  Queenstown, Pt Adelaide,  & Mitcham
Religion = Cof E
Married  18th Feb 1851 in Adelaide SA to Susan Elizabeth nee ALLEN
born  c1825 in Cheltenham GLs ENGLAND
died on 3rd Feb 1912 in Mitcham SA
Children =
Alice (1852-),
Helen Hocc (1854-1947),
Clara (1855-),
Horace Jas (1857-1936),
Ernest Henry (1859-1870),
Laura (1860-1948),
Harriett (1862-),
Hilda Maud (1864-1876),
Halder Alfred (1868-1888)

If it is correct that James didn't marry, then the above cannot be him. 


Added....just been reading everything again.....was ir Horace who didn't marry. not James?

[deeiluka]

Been searching for any more information on the Page men.....only thing I found is a fleeting reference to Horace Page which fits with him having been a clerk at McClaren Wharf, Port Adelaide........

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1199337?searchTerm=Horace+Page

[deeiluka]

Some more digging around in records, Ian.....this may well be the death of Mary Eliza Downey/Martin who married a Richard William Norman in 1878


Mary Eliza NORMAN aged 84 and married of Mile End died 24th Aug 1918 at Mile End
Husband = William NORMAN
Ref = Hin 421/176