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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #108 on: Saturday 01 November 08 11:58 GMT (UK) »
I have read through all of your extensive research (and added pertinent information to my files) and I thought I would add the extra that i have.

Robert  Joseph Hutton (who married Catherine Downey) was born 28/01/1831 in Edinburgh.

Their son, John Thomas (married Ellen Kelleher) also has a daughter Mary Victoria in 1886

Robert and Catherine’s sons that died at Beaconsfield David Downey Hutton ,in 1893 and Robert Francis Hutton,  in 1895 both died of Phthisis (Miner's lung disease) ...more commonly called Black Lung disease.
....and a photo of  John Thomas Hutton (son of Catherine) and his son John Thomas (Jack) who was my grandfather.
The other is a drawing of the wreck of the Sacramento when it was used as a convict prison boat in Port Phillip Bay.

I think it's bedtime now.
Susie
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Hutton : Edinburgh, Scotland
Downey : England
Ingram: St George East, Middlesex and New Zealand
Roberts : Grafton, NSW
Blackadder : Grafton, NSW
Gillett : Grafton, NSW
Brocklebank :Carkettle, Lancashire
Bowes : Ulverston, Lancashire
Rose : Bo'ness, Linlithgowshire, Scotland
Kelleher:County Cork, Ireland
Shepherd : Helpringham, Lincolnshire

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #109 on: Saturday 01 November 08 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Susie

we still  have  these  three children  born  to  Robert Hutton  and Catherine Downey unaccounted for after  their births


Jane Catherine 1867 Blackwood reg no 881
Teresa Warwick 1869 Blackwood reg no 20749
Mary Victoria 1874 Blackwood reg no 795

It  is  possible  they  died and were  not  registered  ( but  not  that  likely)

Susie  do  you  have any  further knowledge on  these three ladies?

They  could  have remained unmarried and died as elderdly ladies  somewhere in Tasmania too

Jenn

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #110 on: Saturday 01 November 08 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Dear Jenn,
I have not yet been able to locate anything on Jane or Teresa, but i am about to follow up on Mary Victoria. She married a Knight (Jim I think) from Balldale in Vic and ran a farm in Corowa NSW.....my mother affectionately calls her Aunty Mary Knight and  I can vaguely remember her as a small child when we visited.
 She had several children, one called Ted (Edward?) who still lives in Corowa.

She started the exodus from Tasmania, as my grandfather met my grandmother whilst staying with Aunty Mary, and my great grandfather spent time with them as well after he left Tasmania, before heading to Sydney then Inverell.
I haven't yet started on the Victorian records.......they are not as easy online as NSW and I will make a trip to the library this week to check.

The real mystery for me is Ellen Kelleher.......where did she come from and where did she go. The family myth is that she just disappeared one day......and my grandfather never mentioned his brother Robert. I believe Ellen was dead by 1912 as my grandfather remarried then and his status is listed as widower.
.....are you perhaps a relative?
Susie
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Hutton : Edinburgh, Scotland
Downey : England
Ingram: St George East, Middlesex and New Zealand
Roberts : Grafton, NSW
Blackadder : Grafton, NSW
Gillett : Grafton, NSW
Brocklebank :Carkettle, Lancashire
Bowes : Ulverston, Lancashire
Rose : Bo'ness, Linlithgowshire, Scotland
Kelleher:County Cork, Ireland
Shepherd : Helpringham, Lincolnshire

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #111 on: Saturday 01 November 08 21:34 GMT (UK) »
No  Susie  not a relative  just  been trying to help Ian with  his research.

I  will l have a look  for Ellen Kelleher.

Jenn
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I live in Townsville researching
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SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #112 on: Saturday 01 November 08 21:44 GMT (UK) »
1930/1936 Electorall Roll

Hume district Howlong  linving at Balldale

Edward Knight farmer
JAmes Bernard Knight farmer
Mary Victoria Knight home duties

Jenn
When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #113 on: Saturday 01 November 08 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Great, Jenn and Susie....  :D  :D
The story continues to unfold.......  8)

Susie, there are many Rootschatters who respond to people's requests for information who are in no way related......they just help because that is a big part of what Rootschat is about.   :D  :D

It's just the best family history community.....  :D  :D


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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #114 on: Sunday 02 November 08 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Have just spoken to my mother and she tells me that Mary Victoria Knight (nee Hutton) had the following children

Darcy
Allan
Claire
Bernard
Teddy (Edward)
Marnie

Teddy is still alive and lives in Corowa and she thinks that Marnie may still be living.

I'll keep on the trail.

Susie

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Hutton : Edinburgh, Scotland
Downey : England
Ingram: St George East, Middlesex and New Zealand
Roberts : Grafton, NSW
Blackadder : Grafton, NSW
Gillett : Grafton, NSW
Brocklebank :Carkettle, Lancashire
Bowes : Ulverston, Lancashire
Rose : Bo'ness, Linlithgowshire, Scotland
Kelleher:County Cork, Ireland
Shepherd : Helpringham, Lincolnshire

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #115 on: Sunday 02 November 08 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Just spoken with my grat  uncle Teddy Knight, son of Mary Victoria Knight (nee Hutton) and he is going to send me a heap of stuff on this line of the family.
he told me that he was born in 1925 and
Darcy was 12 years older (married and had 6 kids)
Allan was 10 years older (married and had 6 girls)
Claire was 7 years older (married and had 6 kids)...married a Sydney Doctor named Horecroft?
Bernard was 5 years older and never married
Teddy married late and has  no children
Marnie was 10 years younger and married Tommy Roper from Tawonga Vic and has 6 kids.

Teddy and Marnie are the only two still living.

He also talked about Robert Francis Hutton born 1891 to John Thomas and Ellen Kelleher. Apparently he was a well heeled butcher who married a Sydney girl nicknamed "Paddy" because she came from Paddington and after she died he moved to Queensland and set up a chain of butcher shops. he apparently remarried in Queensland, and died up there.

More on Mary Victoria and her father, John Thomas. In his obit (which I have) it talks about him being a good boxer and a belt winner in Tasmania. It also says that in his younger days he was a TRAPEZE artist!!!!! Teddy Knight was a professional trapeze and high wire artist who travelled around the world with circuses and when i asked him if his grandfather taught him he said it was mainly his mother Mary Victoria's teachings, but he remembers his grandfather performing.

His obit also talks of his children (he died 2/6/1946) and only three children are mentioned : Robert (who had gone to Qld by that stage), Mary and John (Jack.....my grandfather), so the 4th child, Frederick James born 1898 stills remains a mystery.

Looks like i have a heap of following up to do here.....and I await Uncle Teddy parcel with anticipation.

Susie

Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Hutton : Edinburgh, Scotland
Downey : England
Ingram: St George East, Middlesex and New Zealand
Roberts : Grafton, NSW
Blackadder : Grafton, NSW
Gillett : Grafton, NSW
Brocklebank :Carkettle, Lancashire
Bowes : Ulverston, Lancashire
Rose : Bo'ness, Linlithgowshire, Scotland
Kelleher:County Cork, Ireland
Shepherd : Helpringham, Lincolnshire

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Re: Robert Hutton/ Catherine Downey late 19th century
« Reply #116 on: Sunday 02 November 08 03:06 GMT (UK) »
There are 6 entries for Roper in Tawonga, Victoria in the White Pages

http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/resSearch.do;jsessionid=062CA54B2548DF1CC4F6074D98607859

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