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kelly's in shotts
« on: Sunday 30 January 05 18:38 GMT (UK) »
can anybody help please
                                      robert kelly born about 1833 ireland m ann broadly, had a son robert kelly born 1851 ireland who married jane reynolds born 1852 tollcross  scotland , they married in 1873,
children

patrick 1873
sarah ann 1874
ellen 1876
ann 1877
robert 1979
catherine 1881 died 1896
hugh 1884
john 1886
william 1888
joseph 1889
rose 1891 died 1894
francis 1893
grace 1994

can anyone help with info on the above mainly where in ireland robert was born.

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Re: kelly's in shotts
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 March 10 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi ! Know this was posted a long time ago - but your Jane Reynolds was my great grandfather's sister!  He was Joseph the youngest Reynolds, (born1868) who married Ellen McDermott in Omoa/Cleland, Lanarkshire. This was in Shotts parish, though not actually Shotts village.

Sorry - don't know anything about Roberts origins in Ireland! - but know tracing there is a minefield, I spent a week in the Dublin records and found just about nothing specific!  - I enjoyed the chat mind!  That was just last month!
Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry

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Re: kelly's in shotts
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 March 10 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Jane,
          I too have Reynolds family from Shotts Parish. Great Great Grandfather.
1881 Census as follows.
John Reynolds head aged 46.
Mary A. Reynolds (Mullen) aged 45.
Thomas aged 21.
John aged 16.
Lizzie aged 13.
Jane aged 11.
Patrick aged 9 -- My Grandfather have photo.
George aged 7
Joseph aged 5
James aged 3 -- I have a baby photo of him

Any of these connect with you.?

James.

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Re: kelly's in shotts
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 March 10 08:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello James!

My Reynolds family were first seen in Scotland, on the 1951 census in Shettleston, as a young couple (?24 If i remember correctly) - with a 1 year old son William - as far as I am aware - the eldest.  In the usual way they had a bunch of kids, 'til Joseph was born in 1868, about the 8th from memory. They were still in Eastmuir Shetleston in 1871, But by 1881, the parents and younger brothers and sisters ( as well as som of the married elder ones) were in and around Omoa square Clelland. 

Your John, if 46 in 1881, would appear to be too old to be a sibling of my great grand father, Joseph Reynolds.  But perhaps he could be a younger brother of their father, Patrick Reynolds!

I have always wondered why they might have come to Shotts area, after more than 20 years in Shettleston - perhaps part of the reason was because he already had family there!

Do you know your John's parents details (from his death cert.)? Do you know where about in Ireland ( I assume he came from Ireland!) he came from??

Jane
Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry


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Re: kelly's in shotts
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 March 10 13:28 GMT (UK) »
Jane,
          I live in this area today and know the history of the place, our Irish ancestors came to Scotland for work, settling first in Greenock and Glasgow where they landed. There was a lot of Coal and Ironstone mining in the East end of Glasgow, Shettleston area and they lived in the cheap Tenements in the Gallowgate which connects to Shettleston. From there they followed the work to Lanarkshire Coal fields in Shotts Parish, Whiterigg and Longriggend, and the Stirlingshire Coal fields in Limerigg, Slamannan, Westfield and Avonbridge. Coal Mines had a limited life, apart from the Coal seam running out, if they hit a serious fault underground then that was the end of operations, so they would move on to the next Coal Mine.

There is quite a lot of history online for Omoah which was a busy place back then with a lot of employment in the Coal Mines and Iron Works and Railways.

My Great Grandfather John Reynolds worked in all these industries, his father was James Reynolds and his mother was Mary Kelly. To the best of my knowledge this family came from County Tyrone, Clonfichle Parish. I visited my relatives there in the 1950s when my mother (Jane Reynolds) took me to Ireland to visit her Aunts and Cousins. I went back 2 years ago and the families are still there in Armagh, Dungannon, Benburb and Lurgan. Over there the families are Donnelly, McCrystal, McCusker, Curran.

James.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 March 10 19:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi James, I'm guessing that these are 2 separate families!  Jane Reynolds (born 52), eldest sister of my great grandfather Joseph ( born 68) was the daughter of Patrick & Ellen (Connelly) Reynolds, and the parents were born in the 'Glens of Antrim' villages of Carnlough & Cushendall - Patrick in 23, Ellen in 27.  I even have dates of birth for them, from a distant family member - though I don't know if this is by word of mouth thru' the generations, or if he found church baptismal records to confirm the dates!  All I know is that when I searched the likely parish records in Dublin - I could not find any corroborating evidence! 

Course I could not find records for any (well hardly any) of my irish ancestors ( that is all my ancestors!) - they all left Ireland too early, mainly by the very early 50's, if not before! Most parish records start in about 1850, some a bit earlier, but few as early as the 20's & 30's when many of my ancestors would have been born in Ireland!

Interesting to see you have Curran ancestors - I do too - one of the ones I have no evidence for where they came from!  I have a Thomas Curran who married Mary Jane Lam(m)ont in Wishaw in 1872.  I have not been able to find him definitively, even on the census of the previous year!

Nice to speak to you any way - I would be interested in where you found info on Omoa - as many of my mum's relatives were there for 2-3 generations, and I guess in a way, though I never lived there myself, I feel that is the nearest place to 'home' for me!
Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry

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Re: kelly's in shotts
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 March 10 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Jane,
           Read this while I dig out more intersting stuff, I topok some photos down there some time ago for another forumite.

James.
1797-1866: Omoa Iron Works is erected on Cleland estate by Colonel William Dalrymple on returning to civilian life. Colonel Dalrymple’s uncle, Hew, left him the Fordal estate in Mid-Lothian, and Cleland estate in Bothwell and Shotts parishes.

At first there was only one furnace at Omoa, employing about 40 miners, 40 smelters and other workmen, and 12 horses. The furnace consumed nine tons of calcined ironstone per day, with casts every eighteen hours, yielding about two tons of pig-iron each cast.

Omoa claimed to be the second oldest iron works in Scotland (to Wilsontown). Originally prospering enough to create the new community of Omoa Town, the Omoa Works suffered a downturn through several changes in ownership and a slump in trade following the outbreak of Civil War in America in 1861. Omoa Works would change proprietors several times, the last being to Robert Stewart, Esq., of Murdoston. Shortly after the death of Robert Stewart in 1866 (see later), operations ceased, with the furnaces eventually becoming ruins.

The procurement of ironstone for the Iron Works was reported as follows:

An interesting circumstance connected with the early history of Omoa, and perhaps applicable to other iron-works at the same period, was the scarcity of ironstone and how it was procured. Any balls found in a stream, or cropping-out by its margin, were carefully collected, and in the case of Omoa, ironstone was collected in streams or otherwise by farmers and others in the neighbourhood, and taken to the ironworks and sold - many a ton went from Shotts parish in this way. The transaction was never called in question, but if practised at the present day, would be called thieving.


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« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 March 10 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Jane,
          A lot of useful links here on Rootschat.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=irg2khrg1ve10djuouruta2li3&topic=216619.0

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 October 10 13:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane,
Thomas Curran and Mary Jane Lamont were my g.g.grandparents. I've been trying, with very little knowledge of the best approach to take, to find out where he came from in Ireland. I've only seen the Scottish wedding certificate and census entries thereafter.
I have a few clues from relatives. My gran believed that "he was from Ireland - right at the top of Ireland"and a great aunt thinks that he was from Antrim and lived on the coast.
I believe that two of his daughters married McConnachies in Lanarkshire and my gran thought that Thomas Curran knew Michael McConnachie (their father) in Ireland before they both moved to Lanarkshire and ended up living in Omoa Square, Cleland. The McConnachie's seem to have moved to Lanarkshire from the Lurgan area.
I hope this might be of some help.
Steve