Memorial inscription, St. Mary's Whitby

[Timbottawa]

Ticker ... you say you have access to memorial inscriptions for St. Mary's, Whitby.  I'm not sure how these records are arranged/indexed, so my request may be a bit too general.  But, if possible, could you please search for an inscription for William NOBLE, plumber and glazier?  He was alive around the end of 1817, but dead by Feb. 1829.

Sorry if that is not enough information to go on.  His wife was Ann - I think she died in the 1840s.

Thanks
Tim

[Gillywilly]

Hi Tim,

Was it definitely St.Mary's, Whitby as there are 2 burials at St. John, Sneaton which is a parish in the wapentake & liberty of Whitby Strand; 3 miles SW. of Whitby. Both must have been born c1782.

William Noble buried 16th May 1819 aged 37
Ann Noble buried 9th January 1842 aged 60.

Gill

[Timbottawa]

Hi Gill,

No, I do not know for sure it was St. Mary's - I was just going with the parish church (as I understnd).  So thanks for these records which seem quite compelling.  Just so I understand ... have you checked at St. Mary's and found no matches, or did you just happen to find these at St. John?

Cheers
Tim

[Gillywilly]

Hi Tim,

No didn't check St Mary's & as no records, but it just seemed a co-incidence that they were both born about the same time & buried in the right area.

On checking the 1841 Census there isn't an Ann Noble at Sneaton so that doesn't help but 3 Ann Noble's aged 60 in Whitby, one at Sleights, one at Church St (looks like a husband called William with her) & one at Hawsker with Stainsacre (High Whitby) so I suppose this burial could be for any of them.

I presume this must be about the right timescale for them from your reply, I wasn't quite sure about that. 

Gill

[Timbottawa]

Hi Gill,

My 2-Gt-grandfather was William Noble, born 1815.  I can't remember how you can check on the LDS site from which church the record comes, which would help to tie down whether St. John is more likely.

I think his father, who was also William (the one I'm looking for) married Ann Pyman in 1802, which is obviously consistent with a 1782 birth for both of them.

The younger William was apprenticed in 1829, and his apprenticeship papers state that his father is dead, but his mother still alive.  I think his mother was the one at Church St. in 1841.

The younger William died in 1912, aged 96!!!

Cheers
Tim

[Gillywilly]

Hi Tim

Just stumbled across another burial for an Ann Noble at St Mary's, Whitby which may fit the bill.   

Ann Noble buried 19 March 1844 aged 66 (i.e. born c1778)

The one you think may have been yours at Church Street does have a William Noble living with her aged 75, which may be her husband which would rule her out as your William died pre 1829.

Gill

[Timbottawa]

Thanks Gil,

Are you sure about the Ann in Church St.?  I just had another look at the image I have and it shows her as 55; below her is Jane Wilson, 65, and above her is a family called Littlefield.  I don't see any William!

Thanks also for your PMs, to which I shall reply.

All the best
Tim

[oly]

Hello Tim

The Noble family had an influence on the Parish Church of Whitby, many weddings
had a Noble as a witness, money and land were provided by them for the Vicars stipend, a silver flagon was also presented, unfortunately it was later stolen along with the rest of the church silver.
I could not find a burial for William Noble or a likley birth, my copy of the Whitby registers stops at 1837.

1736 19 Nov  Robt son William Noble, sail-maker (born Jan 28 last), of Whitby
19 Nov William son of said William Noble of Whitby

1802 Apr 6 William Noble, bachelor, glazier & Ann Pyman, spinster, both of this parish, licence
Wit Stephen Hicks, Philip Aldridge
Cur Isaac Fearon
1803 Mar 8 Noble, Jane dau William & Ann (glazier) born 2nd, Whitby
1807 Aug 26 Noble, Thomas Pyman son William & Ann (glazier) born 25th, Whitby


1815 Aug 9 Noble, William son William & Ann, Whitby, glazier, born 29th July last
1818 Sep 8 Noble, Mary dau William & Ann, Whitby Poorhouse, glazier, born 4th

1830 Aug 7 William Noble*, widower, inn keeper & Ann Williamson*, widow, both of this parish, licence, with consent of parents
Wit Wm Andrew, Ralph Greenbury
William Noble was a witness at many weddings, suggesting he was a church official before and after 1830.

Memorandum
Mr William Hanson of this parish purchased of Elizabeth Frank also of this Parish, (as sole Devisee and Executor under the last Will & testament of her late Husband William Frank) a certain Stall or Pew Situate[d] in the Parish Church of Whitby aforesaid in a certain small Gallery there called Mr Noble's Gallery and adjoining on a stall or Pew belonging to Mr Walter Carr and others and now in the occupation of the said William Hanson for which the said William Hanson paid the sum of Ten Pounds being the purchase or Consideration money for the same. The receipt is dated the 4th Day of June 1823 and witnessed by Robert Lamb
James Andrew, minister of Whitby

Regards Oly

[Timbottawa]

Hi Oly,

I've been travelling for the last few days, hence the delay in replying.  Thanks very much for all this research, which is very interesting.  There are at least two William Nobles in Whitby in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.  Gil and I had concluded that my William was probably not the one who married Ann Pyman, due in part to the large gap in the two births that are clearly attributed to that couple in 1803 and 1807, and the births of my younger William and his sister Mary in 1815 and 1818.  However, your research shows that they were the same family.

The widower who married Ann Williamson in 1830 is definitely a different person, because he had died by 1829 (and the profession is different anyway).  I believe that the William who was active in and a benefactor of the church was the "other" William, as there is some evidence to suggest that my William was not wealthy.

I still need to do some thinking on this, but am currently still on my business trip, so it will be another few day yet.

Thanks again
Tim