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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 28 September 08 05:18 BST (UK) »

Question :

Is .....

Samuel George CRANCH  (who according to the record on Auckland cenotaph database, names next-of-kin as "F.G. CRANCH (brother)" )

the same person as ...

Samuel Gill CRANCH - buried (soliders' section - his military reg. number is not given)  - 1 July 1962, Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland :      ???     ???

[Note:    Archives NZ hold a military file for "Samuel George CRANCH - 4/980  (1914-18) " :   (This file has a viewing restriction on it) .     There doesn't appear to be a military record in the name of  "Samuel Gill CRANCH ?  ]

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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 28 September 08 06:02 BST (UK) »
Hello Lu,

Thanks for the welcome!
I can say with certainty that Frederick George CRANCH's brother was Samuel Gill CRANCH.
Samuel Gill CRANCH has a probate dated 1962, which ties in with the name of Samuel Gill CRANCH whose ashes are in the Soldiers' section.
My guess is that the ref to Samuel George CRANCH in the Cenotaph database is either a mis-transcription or straight error.
Cranch - Devon; London; Anywhere.
Moore - Honiton, Dev.

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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 28 September 08 08:24 BST (UK) »
Cranch Researcher  Thanks for your input, you've solved one problem I had that was photos I had of Fred Cranch, Mum label also contained my cousin but maybe it should be Uncle if he is her Father Samuel's brother.  Will need to look at the Family Tree I was provided with as there maybe a discrepancy with the earlier folk.  Get back to you on that.  I will l have to search shipping passenger lists to see when these folk,arrived in NZ.  Samuel (born 1855) has no date of entry to NZ that I know of as he jumped ship and swam ashore to travel    around under the name Billy Hare until someone convinced him to tell the family her was alive  Samuel Gill (here is a record of Samuel George who is said to be brother to Fred in War Memorial WW1 records, Fred being next of kin.  To Samuels and Elizabeth's children.  Annie Muriel Cranch born Jan 1891 at Carterton is a real mystery to me.  Will contact the Researcher at Carterton and see what if anything she can find. Mum never mentioned there being a child of that name. Their 8th child was my Mother, Vera Evelyn Mona Cranch  born in 12/10/1904, she married my father Joseph Bond on 24/6/1942 and died in 1970 (can't get  to room with death record as someone sleeping there will send it later) after a number of the children were married from Carterton the family moved up to Cambridge and after her mother died my mother Vera moved to Auckland where she met my father and married, when I was 3 they moved down to Nelson where they lived until their deaths.  I am Mum's only child, Dad had one from first marriage, none from his third, not what it sounds like, he outlived all three, not bad for someone told at 40 they could die any time.  My input to Lucy 2 was interupted mid way when my computer keyboard seized up hence no sign off or completed message.  Could you please advise place of birth for Frederick George Cranch a number of others said to be born at Dartmouth, was he also.?    BELLBIRD

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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 28 September 08 08:38 BST (UK) »
Lucy 2  Sorry I didn't get the full message to your last night, my computer keyboard seized up and I couldn't type anything.  I was not amused as the saying goes. ::)  I think I was talking about Fred Cranchs family photo.  Presume you can read what Cranch Researcher has to say.  The Samuel George which appears to be a family name differs from name C Researcher has which is Samuel Gill strange with our name at the War Memorial being said to be Fred's brother.  The Mt Eden context seems to fit in too.  Basil was said to be at Mt Eden as was his Dad Fred.  If you can read the Family tree offered by C Researcher you'll see who their father is.  Would like to know when they arrived in NZ so could track down their port of entry and any other s they brought with them.  Samuel Gill is said to be buried in same Cemetery  mentioned by  you.  A bit of a puzzle.  Oh yes said something about a check of birth and death indexes.   You've got a complete novice here, what and where are they and how do you get the information, do you have to pay for it?   Will need to go over my info,  your info and Cranch Researchers and try and get my mind around it.  Will get back to you later.  Thanks for all you help
now and maybe in the future   BELLBIRD


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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 28 September 08 08:57 BST (UK) »
Sorry, Bellbird, maybe my ramble wasn't clear. It doesn't help having so many Sams in the family!

Frederick George CRANCH and Samuel Gill CRANCH were the sons of William Gill CRANCH, who was the brother of Samuel CRANCH, b 1855.
Therefore Fred was your Samuel's nephew and, consequently, your mother's cousin.

And, yes, Fred was born in Dartmouth also. Both he and Samuel Gill CRANCH are in Dartmouth in 1901 with their parents.
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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 28 September 08 09:34 BST (UK) »
great Cranch R,

Seems perfect, Bellbirds mum having photos of cousins family,   :)

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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #24 on: Monday 29 September 08 07:17 BST (UK) »
Hi (Ms) Cranch researcher

Mmmm ... really just threw the "question" in to highlight that there was an anomaly.

But of course I don't doubt your most impressive and very thorough research.    :) :) :)

I'm guessing the error ("George v. Gill") may have occurred when army attestation papers were filled out (questions and answers ... the attending official wrote it all down and the poor solider, simply signed on the dotted line ) ?

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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #25 on: Monday 29 September 08 07:44 BST (UK) »

Lucy 2 Sorry I didn't get the full message to your last night, my computer keyboard seized up and I couldn't type anything. I was not amused as the saying goes. ::)
I think I was talking about Fred Cranchs family photo. 

Oh yes said something about a check of birth and death indexes. You've got a complete novice here, what and where are they and how do you get the information, do you have to pay for it?



Hi Bellbird

Mmm... got a bit of a cranky computer myself, at the moment, so didn't get back to answer your earlier question.

The Birth, Death and Marriages Indexes :

I'm not sure whereabouts you are in NZ, but if you live handy to a fairly major library, then you should be able to access the BDM indexes there.    (No, there's no charge and a librarian will be able to explain the process to you).

I've checked the Birth Index for Basil / Ray and Eric, today  (so you don't need to worry about looking them up, this time around).   Will post info here, shortly.

Lu


PS :    Bellbird  ... meant to congratulate you on your great descriptions of the photos !   :)
How lucky you are to have such treasures ?      :) 


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Re: Basil Cranch Family
« Reply #26 on: Monday 29 September 08 19:06 BST (UK) »

 To Samuels and Elizabeth's children. Annie Muriel Cranch born Jan 1891 at Carterton is a real mystery to me. ...... Mum never mentioned there being a child of that name. 


1919  Auckland East Electoral Roll

CRANCH, Annie Muriel - Public Hospital, Park road, spinster