Mary Ann Bishop,born Penhurst,Completed

[sillgen]

Just double checked the census i have.All 3 say Penhurst ,Sussex.

One of them certainly says Hastings.   Another says Penshurst with an s then has Sussex added in the last column.
If you got the birth certificate from the local office it will not have the same reference numbers but should have the same information as a copy of it will have been sent to the GRO.  Can you scan in what you have?   You may be wasting £7 sending for another one.  The surname of the child only appears as under the column for father - or in this case mother.  So "Name if any" has his Christian names - in this case George Nelson Mitchell are all first names and his surname is Bishop - as indicated by his mother's name.    Does that make sense?
In 1871 there is a domestic servant in Hastings called Mary A Bishop but her place of birth is Robertsbridge.
Are you anywhere near an LDS centre?  Oh, I see you can get to Lewes.   The Penhurst registers may well solve the riddle as you suggested.
Andrea

[omega 1]

Hi Andrea
The info Daisy found,George Nelson Mitchell Bishop as far as i can see is right.
I looked on full index under Mitchell.there is no George Nelson.
I have looked on the 1891,George N H Bishop.
I will phone GRO up Monday & explain to them see what they come up with.
The Cert we have was given to us,as no use to the person.
The name George Nelson Mitchell was in 4 generations,the last one dying in 1975.
Lewes is a must.Blooming woman`s giving my night mares
Thank-you
Omega

[Valda]

Robertsbridge is just under 7 miles from Penhurst. On the 1861 census you then have this entry.

1861 RG9 571 folio 7
Salehurst Robertsbridge Sussex
Samuel Bishop 52 Head Married Ag lab Westfield Sussex
Mary Bishop 49 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex
William Bishop 30 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
James Bishop 16 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
Henry Bishop 14 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
George Bishop 10 Son Ewhurst Sussex
Mary Ann Bishop 8 Daughter Ewhurst Sussex

BISHOP, Mary Anne   Christening
Christening Date:26 Sep 1852    Salehurst, Sussex
Father:Samuel BISHOP
Mother:Mary


Some baptisms in Hastings

MITCHELL, Alice Elizabeth   
Christening Date:8 Jul 1877 All Saints Hastings, Sussex
Father:George MITCHELL
Mother:Mary

MITCHELL, Florence Mary Ann   Christening
Christening Date:12 Aug 1887    St Clement Hastings, Sussex
Father:George Nelson MITCHELL
Mother:Mary Ann

MITCHELL, Mercy Jane   
Birth Date:1886   
Christening Date:12 Aug 1887    St Clement Hastings, Sussex
Father:George Nelson MITCHELL
Mother:Mary Ann

plus a possible

BISHOPP, Mary Elizabeth   
Christening Date:7 Sep 1875   All Saints   Hastings, Sussex
Mother:Mary Ann BISHOPP

Births Mar 1874  
Bishop  Mary Elizabeth    Hastings  2b 16    
Deaths Sep 1875  
BISHOP  Mary Elizabeth  1  Hastings  2b 16


If there was an impediment to Mary Ann Bishop and George Nelson Mitchell marrying, it might be worth checking out other possible marriages in Hastings or checking with the local registrar that there isn't a Mitchell/Bishop marriage in case it has been missed off the GRO index.


Regards

Valda

[sillgen]

I had not thought of George being already married.     Did you search earlier than 1875 omega?    He is unmarried in 1871 and with his parents.  If this is Mary Ann in Salehurst, which looks a distinct possibility, then she alters her birth date a bit on the census but we have seen that before!
Andrea

[omega 1]

Hi Valda
Thank -you for your time,i will copy and digest the info.The Hastings Register Office did a 5 year search for a marriage after  George Nelson was born.Maybe i could get them to look further.

May i ask where you found the Baptisums

Hi Sillgen

George Nelson is at home on the 1871,with Mum,Dad  & siblings.
I have look for marriages between 1871 & 1881,

Kind Regards to you both

Omega

[Valda]

Hi Omega

The baptisms are from the BVRI - British Vital Records Index, a set of CDs which are supplements to the IGI. The Hastings coverage is probably of BTs (Bishops Transcripts) and not necessarily from the parish registers themselves and so might not have complete coverage of them.

It doesn't cover Penhurst registers.

The Salehurst Mary Ann might be the correct Mary Ann but also might not. There is at least one Mary Ann Bishop(p) marriage in Hastings registration district that might possibly be this Mary Ann or another. Mary Ann Mitchell's age gets younger as the censuses go on, but always younger than her husband. If she was the Mary Ann from Salehurst then she would be older than George and might be adjusting her age in consequence.

Marriages Dec 1876 
Bishop  Mary    Hastings  2b 35   
(by the 1881 census in Hastings possibly a woman born Hastings in circa 1855 who married William Kent)
Marriages Jun 1877   
BISHOPP  Mary Ann     Hastings  2b 62
(by the 1881 census in Hastings this might be a Mary A born in circa 1849 in Tunbridge who married James Steward)


Regards

Valda

[omega 1]

Hi Valda

The Mitchell line is OHs .His Grandfather was a younger son of George & Mary Ann.
We have decided to go to the Register Office with birth cert & info on full index of George Nelson M Bishop to see if they can explain why.That will be Tuesday.
I am going to phone up Lewes tomorrow for a time slot to go through the Parish Records.
Its annoying the 1861 Census for Penhurst is missing.
Will let you know the outcome.
Thank-you again
Omega.

[omega 1]

Hi to people who helped with this thread

I am feeling a bit embarrassed with regards to George Nelson Mithcell birth cert.I dont know how i could be SO THICK,cant tell you what i called myself . Of course his surname was Bishop.But he then started using the surname Mitchell.

We have been over to the Records Office.OH looked right through the Penhurst baptiums,they were no Bishops at all.
 If i remember rightly,Valda found a Mary Ann on the 1861 born Ewhurst.
I have found a Mary Ann on the 1871 in Hastings,born Robertsbridge,but right age.
I will see if i can get the Registrar to do a longer search for a marriage.

Thank-you
Omega

[Valda]

Salehurst and Robertsbridge is a civil parish in East Sussex, England. The parish includes the villages of Robertsbridge, Salehurst and Northbridge Street.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salehurst

from sillgen

In 1871 there is a domestic servant in Hastings called Mary A Bishop but her place of birth is Robertsbridge.

from my earlier post

Robertsbridge is just under 7 miles from Penhurst. On the 1861 census you then have this entry.

1861 RG9 571 folio 7
Salehurst Robertsbridge Sussex
Samuel Bishop 52 Head Married Ag lab Westfield Sussex
Mary Bishop 49 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex
William Bishop 30 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
James Bishop 16 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
Henry Bishop 14 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
George Bishop 10 Son Ewhurst Sussex
Mary Ann Bishop 8 Daughter Ewhurst Sussex

BISHOP, Mary Anne   Christening
Christening Date:26 Sep 1852    Salehurst, Sussex
Father:Samuel BISHOP
Mother:Mary

Ewhurst is about 5 miles away from Salehurst but much closer 'as the crow flies'.

1871 census RG10 1047 folio 45
Northbridge Street Salehurst
Samuel Bishop 62 Head Married Labourer on turnpike road Westfield Sussex
Mary Bishop 59 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex

1851 census HO107 1636 folio 253
Furnance? Lands? Ewhurst
Samuel Bishop 46 Head Married Agricultural Labourer Sedlecomb Sussex
Mary Bishop 39 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex
Thomas Bishop 15 Son Agricultural labourer Saleshurst Sussex
Sophia Bishop 11 Daughter Salehurst Sussex
Harriot Bishop 8 Daughter Salehurst Sussex
James Bishop 6 Son Salehurst Sussex
Henry Bishop 4 Son Salehurst Sussex 
George Bishop 8 Months Son Ewhurst Sussex 

1871 census RG10 1031 folio 66
8 Cambridge Terrace Holy Trinity, Hastings Sussex
Mary A Bishop  19 General Servant  Robertsbridge, Sussex   

Still doesn't prove that it is the correct Mary Ann Bishop who later lived with George Nelson Mitchell.

Have you explored the Hastings church registers e.g. for baptisms like this (a late baptism at roughly the time George Nelson Mitchell Bishop was born) or burials, to see if more information is given in the register which might give further Hastings addresses.

BISHOPP, Mary Elizabeth   
Christening Date:7 Sep 1875   All Saints   Hastings, Sussex
Mother:Mary Ann BISHOPP

but born 1874, death registered shortly after baptism.


Regards

Valda