Tinwald Mill, Dumfriesshire

[Maggie.]

Did you notice the Hall family living at the mill on the '51 census?
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Yes I have found them Jamjar, - Robert Hall and family and I am trying to sort out how they fit in with William Hall who was the informant on Helen's death cert. as no William is listed with them.  The wife is Jane but her place of birth is Caelaverock so it is unlikely she is Jane, daughter of Christopher and Helen and who was born in Bar, Tinwald.  The age is out by 2 years as well.

Maggie

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Is it worth trying to find marriages of any William Halls?

[Maggie.]

Just in the middle of trying that but no joy yet 

[Gadget]

On the 1861, there are two possibles for him in Dumfriesshire that I can see:

Langholm, a carter, aged 50 with wife Jane (aged 35, b. Canonbie)

Half Morton, aged 61, gamekeeper. Looks like he's a widower 

As he was 'not present' at the death he might be anywhere - Kirkcudbrightshire, Lake District, Yorkshire, Lancashire, etc. 


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[trish251]

Probably unlikely, but my "not usually very accurate" transcription of the census has the following

Watchhill Annan Dumfries
Helen Aitchison head  65 seamstress born Annan
Mary do sister 60 seamstress (assistant)
James Dinwoodie lodger 2 born England

The name Dinwoodie caught my eye

could Aitchison = Nicholson?  Annan is 15 miles from Tinwald

Trish

[Maggie.]

I am pretty sure that Helen was born in Tinwald, although it is interesting that there is a Dinwoodie lodging.  Is sister Mary unmarried?  Helen's death info. (9 yrs later) describes her as 'Farmer's Widow' not seamstress.

Thanks for your help in this.

Maggie

[trish251]

Hi Maggie

Unfortunately the transcript I have doesn't give the marital status - you would need SP or freecen perhaps. 2 year old "lodgers" are usually a relative of some description, but it may well be an Aitchison and irrelevant to your family.

Apologies if you have this already - there are  siblings to your Helen on the IGI
Janet 1777 and Margaret 1774  mother given as Jean Dinwiddie
baptism Lochmaben, Dumfries

This one is 5 miles from Tinwald

Trish

[Gadget]

Hi Maggie and Trish

The Dumfries 1851 index:

http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx

has the James Dinwoodie as a 'lodger in the house of Helen Aitcheson'

The only Helen Jardine that we've found so far on the IGI was b. Dumfries and father David. They probably moved  for some reason.*

*Modified - it was on SP - bpt 25 Oct 1783, Dumfries


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Hi Maggie

I hope this will post - RC seems to be on a go slow again 

I've just been looking at the 1851 images.

The tinwald mill entry would appear to have the head of household mising/away. It reads

Mary Ann Nicholson, daughter, unm, 41, ag Labourer, b. Tinwald
Janet, daughter, unm, 18, house servant, b. Tinwald.

The Mill apears to be next to the Manse.

Also Cowshaws - there appear to be three addresses: North Cowshaw, South Cowshaw and Cowshaw Cottage.

Cowhaw cottage was occupied by a John Dobie, an unmarried road labourer, aged 28 and Georgina Hogg, an unmarried servant, aged 27.


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