Death look up help please. COMPLETED

[pettsy]

Didn't write down ref  Was just making notes, now my Ancestry run out 

1901 Census
William Hickey b.1869 General Lab b. Kensington
Mary Hickey b.1871 Washer Woman b. Kensingon.
Helen Hickey 11y Kensington
John Hickey 4y Kensington
Patrick Hickey 1y
47 Hunt Street.


 

[ninakin]

Found them! The reference is RG13, piece 43, folio 125, page 20.
The question is, where does Mary fit in as Thomas's daughter? There are more than one Mary Dwyer born in Kensington/Chelsea around that time (abt. 1871). Perhaps ordering her marriage certificate to William Hickey is a good idea, just to make sure she is his daughter.

Found a possible entry in the 1881 for Mary Dwyer, daughter of Thomas:
2 Portland Place, Pottery Lane, Kensington (RG11, piece 31, folio 32, page 3)
Thomas Dwyer, Head, mar, 50, Labourer, born Limerick, Ireland
Ellen Dwyer, wife, mar, 44, Born Ireland Cork
Mary F. Dwyer, dau, 10, born Kensington.

I don't know what you makes of this?  Is it 'the other' Thomas Dwyer I wonder?

Ninakin

[pettsy]

 

Yes I saw that too.
I thought ah that is "my" Thomas with his wife, I even found their marriage Thomas Dwyer to Ellen Kalahar Kensington
Dec Q 1a 217 1853.

Both Thomas adn Ellen were born in Ireland, now this is where it gets confusing, my grandad told my mum they were both from Ireland Thomas & Jane Dwyer that is, but going by census they both state Chelsea, and I have Jane's birth cert in Chelsea too 

Mary Hickey nee Dwyer was on the death cert I ordered for Thomas.
It could be his daughter from his first wife, then we went off with Jane McManus.
Or it is the completely wrong Thomas, and my Thomas death cert is nowhere to be found 


Agh 

Pettsy

[ninakin]

I think you're on to something there... Mary could be the daughter of your Thomas, but with his first (and only?) wife Ellen, as it seems he never married Jane McManus. Or was he with both at the same time...?
Good luck with finding him!

Ninakin

[pettsy]

Ninakin we received a copy of John Dwyer McManus birth cert this morning. 


John Dwyer 24th Sept 1863. 24 Wickham Place, Chelsea.

Father JOHN Dwyer   Occ: Green Grocer. (same occ as Thomas)

Mother Jane McManus.

Now either Thomas is John Thomas Dwyer or Thomas John Dwyer. Or Jane was with brothers 

I will have to look for a John Dwyer now, on the census we cannot find Thomas.

I already have a Thomas Cox, who is also a John Cox.
Even my dad uses his middle name 


Pettsy

[ninakin]

Hi Pettsy,

Well, this gets stranger and stranger... I've had a look for John Dwyer with Jane in the 1891, but haven't found them, nor their children. I've tried searching with both surname and first names but no luck. It's very frustrating when they swap between their first and middle names, isn't it! It looks like Thomas could have been John Thomas or Thomas John but I can't see him in the 1891 or 1901.

Sorry I can't be of more help, perhaps you can put a new post out with the new information you have, someone's bound to find something!

Best wishes,
Ninakin

[pettsy]

Thanks for looking Ninakin, it's a mystery.

It also says Mother Jane McManus now the wife of John Dwyer.

They also didn't register the birth until the 5th Nov.

So either they got married in between those dates or they lied.