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Calvins in Ballynure
« on: Tuesday 23 September 08 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am trying to find parents and ancestors of  Roger Calvin (c1796) and Hannah Dempsey (c1800).
They were married in 1821.
I have traced my descent through their daughter Hannah, (ch, 10.11.18220)

By the way, can anyone tell me what Ballynure is /was like?

Thanks
Liz
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CRAIG, RENNIE, WATSON, JAQUES & JAKES, WARDLAW, TWIZZELL, BRASS, NICHOLSON, SUMMERVILLE, ARCHER, LEARMOUTH, ANDERSON, BOAG, SLAYTER, NELSON, HARDY, RICHARDSON, CHICKEN, LOWDON, BROWN, LAWTON, ANGUS, DIXON    Northumberland
CALVIN, DEMPSEY, LYNN.     Antrim
NELLESS, YOUNGHUSBAND GREEN SCOTT DIXON Durham
PENRITH     Penrith
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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 September 08 21:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz,

Sorry but I can't help you with your Calvin saga but I can give you an idea of Ballynure today. The main line (A8) from Larne to Belfast splits Ballynure in 2 literally.
Left side has a garage (diesel 117.9 pence), a church, a few houses and shops and the best butchers shop for miles (Jacksons). A wee village called Straid is a few miles away on this side.
Right side has the main housing estate of 30-40 houses at most. Another church, primary school and the back road into Ballyclare. The village of Ballyeaston is via this side of the road also.

Happy hunting

June
McClinton, Boyd, McCreight (Belfast, Templepatrick , Carmoney and Killead/Ballyhill Townlands),
McMullan, McGurk, McLeister, Taylor, Glass, McKillop, McCaughern (Rasharkin, Dunloy and Portglenone - Tamlaght)
Harrison, Stafford, Plunkett (Tyrone and Armagh)
Coulter/Coalter, Foster (Fermanagh)
Lougheed, Gibson (Co.Cavan)
McVeigh, Edgar (Belfast and Co.Down)
Shannon (Co.Monaghan)

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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 September 08 21:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks, June, it sounds even smaller than the village where I live.

Does 'Bally' have a meaning?

Helen Dempsey married William Linn from Ballymena. Is that far away?

Liz
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CRAIG, RENNIE, WATSON, JAQUES & JAKES, WARDLAW, TWIZZELL, BRASS, NICHOLSON, SUMMERVILLE, ARCHER, LEARMOUTH, ANDERSON, BOAG, SLAYTER, NELSON, HARDY, RICHARDSON, CHICKEN, LOWDON, BROWN, LAWTON, ANGUS, DIXON    Northumberland
CALVIN, DEMPSEY, LYNN.     Antrim
NELLESS, YOUNGHUSBAND GREEN SCOTT DIXON Durham
PENRITH     Penrith
BANTICK HUBBARD CARTER      Suffolk
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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 September 08 22:04 BST (UK) »
Hi again Liz,

Blink and you'ed be through Ballynure is not an exaggeration. Bally is used in many villages and towns over here, it is a Gaelic word ( Bailena ) meaning Place of.
Ballymena is only about 15 miles from Ballymena via Ballyclare. Ballymena is a main town in Co.Antrim.
Old Arthur I work with is from Ballynure and his generations are all from there so I'll ask him tomorrow

Hopeful
June
McClinton, Boyd, McCreight (Belfast, Templepatrick , Carmoney and Killead/Ballyhill Townlands),
McMullan, McGurk, McLeister, Taylor, Glass, McKillop, McCaughern (Rasharkin, Dunloy and Portglenone - Tamlaght)
Harrison, Stafford, Plunkett (Tyrone and Armagh)
Coulter/Coalter, Foster (Fermanagh)
Lougheed, Gibson (Co.Cavan)
McVeigh, Edgar (Belfast and Co.Down)
Shannon (Co.Monaghan)


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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 18:30 BST (UK) »
Sorry Liz,

Arthur couldn't place any Calvin's but if they were there they would most likely be buried in Raloo cemetery - this old graveyard was the common ground for that area. It is hard to access from the road but is still apparently used.

Best of luck

June
McClinton, Boyd, McCreight (Belfast, Templepatrick , Carmoney and Killead/Ballyhill Townlands),
McMullan, McGurk, McLeister, Taylor, Glass, McKillop, McCaughern (Rasharkin, Dunloy and Portglenone - Tamlaght)
Harrison, Stafford, Plunkett (Tyrone and Armagh)
Coulter/Coalter, Foster (Fermanagh)
Lougheed, Gibson (Co.Cavan)
McVeigh, Edgar (Belfast and Co.Down)
Shannon (Co.Monaghan)

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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 September 08 23:58 BST (UK) »
Liz,

Aye, its a grand wee place!

[To be distinguished from its namesakes in Co. Wicklow, Ireland and Manchester County, Jamaica (home to UK TV's cook Ainsley HARRIOTT's slave-keeping/generating ancestors!).]

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Some sources for informing you what Ballynure was like are:

1) Ballynure: History and Happenings in the village over the past Four Hundred Years.
2004 Ernie SCOTT

[Ref:  http://www.ollar.utvinternet.com/erniebook.htm
If you are visiting the area, simply buy it from the newsagent in the square in Ballyclare, otherwise drop an EMail to the fine folks at ollar {-- a t } utvinternet.com for details on ordering by post (£6 all up in UK). 
A very condensed version can be seen at
http://www.ballynurepresbyterian.org/history/Ballynure_History.pdf ]


2) ORDNANCE SURVEY MEMOIRS OF IRELAND
PARISHES OF COUNTY ANTRIM XII
1832-3, 1835-40
Ballynure and District
Vol. 32

1995 IIS@QU,Belfast & RIA,Dublin
ISBN 0 85389 552  ppb 141 pp

[Order from QUB or from UHF - who have a sale on just now!]


3) Old Families of Carrickfergus and Ballynure
Rutherford & Clark
2003 UHF

[Includes headstone transcriptions for Old Ballynure Cemetery.]


4) Books offering a perspective on the wider area are listed at http://www.ollar.utvinternet.com/books.htm .

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I had a methodical read of the OSM for each of the parishes of Ballynure and Raloo.
[The latter gave me a really good laugh - the writers obviously did not take a shine to the area - some of the comments are so modern-day not PC.  Much was made of the over-prevalence of whiskey drinking everywhere!]


Ballynure was a mixed agricultural and industrial area.
Raloo mostly agricultural (and 50 years behind the times!).

Linen production had been totally dominant, with nearly everyone involved in it, but was in very serious decline by the 1830s.
[No more Napoleonic War satchels/matresses/capes required ...]

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No mention of the CALVIN name in either parish.

No DEMPSEY mentioned in Ballynure.

A Robert DEMPSEY owned a farm in Ballygowan townland in Raloo.
[It had an ancient druid's altar called "Cannorth's Walls" on its land.
 This seems to be known as the "Canders Walls" monument nowadays..
 Ref: OSNI Discoverer Series BALLYMENA, LARNE  1:50000  Sheet 9  D359969
 Just off the B100 road, opposite Thorny Hill.]

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The Ballygowan townland was the "Irish" enclave of the two parishes.
[Though the folks there were reckoned to originate from Scots who came over with the BRUCEs in the 14thC.]

These people were of an RC religious persuasion, attending the chapel down in the valley, about an Irish mile NW of the druid's altar.
[Your DEMPSEYs may have been of this persuasion - but there were only four RC landholders.]

The population of the area was overwhelmingly (90%) Presbyterian, reflecting waves of immigration in the 1590s, 1610s, 1640s & 1690s. 

The DEMPSEY surname originates from Leinster, but was scattered after the Williamite/Jacobite war.  Of the Ulster counties, Co. Antrim hosts a disproportionate number, suggesting that some are corruptions (synonyms) of another name - most likely DEMPSTER, originally a Scottish baronial official.
[ref: The Book of Ulster Surnames, Robert BELL, The Blackstaff Press 1988]

So, your DEMPSEYs might have been of a Protestant persuasion.

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If so, then they are likely to have married in Ballynure village.

This village hosted the only church (Christ Church) in the CoI prebendary of the three conjoined parishes of Ballynure, Raloo & Templecorran.
[A chapel of ease was built at Glenoe in Raloo only in 1840.]

It also hosted two Pb Meeting houses (Orthodox & Seceder).
[Two parallel MHs were built near Raloo village only in 1838.]

A neat summary of PRONI-available church records is given at: http://www.vyger.fsnet.co.uk/Parish_records/Antrim/Ballyclare_Doagh/Ballynure/ballynure.html
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You will note from the above URL

(or from

http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par039.htm )
that Ballynure parish includes two townlands, named "Ballymena Little" and "Little Ballymena".  The Ballymena burn runs along the SW side of Ballynure parish, forming part of the boundary with the adjoining parish of Ballylinny.
[Presumably these townlands are adjacent to it.]

Thus your William LINN may hail from nearer-by than Ballymena town (in Kirkinriola townland, Ahoghill parish).
[The OSM say that people seldom chose partners from outside the area.]

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Emigration (~8 folks per year) was mainly to New York, though some to Quebec.
[Reasons were invites from previous migrants, and lack of success at home.]

Strangely Raloo folks got in to difficulty because many had availed themselves of an offer of perpetual leases offered by the landlord's agent (DOBBS) in 1780.  This made them feel safe, so they let things slip. By contrast, farmers paying rent worked their farms hard and made (small) profits.

Many of the freeholders had to leave (bankrupt), often handing the farms over to people who had been their servants.

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You can hunt for some CALVINs in the 18thC Belfast Newsletter Index.
[ http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/QueryForm1.cgi ]

Else further back in Geneva ... www.calvinus.com !

Capt. Jock


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WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 00:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks, June, 'Old Arthur' sounds a character.

Wow, Capt Jock! Thank you for such a detailed reply.
I will look into all those sites you have given me.

Thank you so much for all your time and effort. it is much appreciated, believe me.

I want to visit Ireland, and see these places for myself!
Liz
CARTER     Newcastle
CRAIG, RENNIE, WATSON, JAQUES & JAKES, WARDLAW, TWIZZELL, BRASS, NICHOLSON, SUMMERVILLE, ARCHER, LEARMOUTH, ANDERSON, BOAG, SLAYTER, NELSON, HARDY, RICHARDSON, CHICKEN, LOWDON, BROWN, LAWTON, ANGUS, DIXON    Northumberland
CALVIN, DEMPSEY, LYNN.     Antrim
NELLESS, YOUNGHUSBAND GREEN SCOTT DIXON Durham
PENRITH     Penrith
BANTICK HUBBARD CARTER      Suffolk
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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 00:37 BST (UK) »
P.S.
I have read that Calvin could originally be a French name.
Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
Liz
CARTER     Newcastle
CRAIG, RENNIE, WATSON, JAQUES & JAKES, WARDLAW, TWIZZELL, BRASS, NICHOLSON, SUMMERVILLE, ARCHER, LEARMOUTH, ANDERSON, BOAG, SLAYTER, NELSON, HARDY, RICHARDSON, CHICKEN, LOWDON, BROWN, LAWTON, ANGUS, DIXON    Northumberland
CALVIN, DEMPSEY, LYNN.     Antrim
NELLESS, YOUNGHUSBAND GREEN SCOTT DIXON Durham
PENRITH     Penrith
BANTICK HUBBARD CARTER      Suffolk
LYNN UNICK CROW ASHERCRAFT JOHNSON CRAWFORD LOWDEN   USA

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Re: Calvins in Ballynure
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 00:51 BST (UK) »
Liz,

If you are visiting, try to make it coincide with one of the historical walks around Ballynure given by one of the members of historical society - ideally Ernie himself!

John CALVIN, the famous reformer, was born at Noyon just north of Paris.
[N.B. He didn't have any male descendants!]

He ended up in Geneva by accident, was thrown out after a few years (for being too strict), and was then begged to return (to restore order). etc. etc. etc.

Revving Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]