Dolwyddelan.

[bronnie]

My grandfather was born at number 1 Pentre Bont, Dolwyddelan. In the 1891 Census, there are 23 dwellings listed in Pentre Bont. I can only identify it as a general area on maps old and new. Other members of his family lived for many years round the corner in Benar Terrace / Tan y Benar Dolwyddelan  from c1881 .

I wondered whether the cottages up the hill, now with a street sign 'High Street', might have been formerly known as 1-23 Pentre Bont  as I can't find High Street on the 1891 Census for that district. Individual properties in the immediate vicinity of the present High Street are listed on the 1891 in close proximity to dwellings number 1 to 23 Pentre Bont. Of course it is possible these dwellings no longer exist.

Any insider info would be so helpful.
Thank you

[didih]

Hi I cant be 100% certain but I dont think the houses are there any longer,my dad was born in Dolwyddelan and his family lived there for generations, including pentre bont. I havent been there for years but seem to remember my taid (granddad) telling me the houses his grandparents had lived in at pentre Bont wasnt there any more, wish now I had listned to his stories more closely.

[bronnie]

Hi
Many thanks for your reply. I think you're probably right, the cottages have gone.
Don't we all wish we'd listened to the stories more carefully and asked more questions when we had the chance.......?!
Your family from Dolwyddelan are not Roberts ( or even Williams said she, clutching at straws!!)are they? .....Must be worth asking, gotta be a 50/50 chance in these parts!
Thanks again anyway
Bronwen

[didih]

The branch of the family from pentre Bont is Williams as it happens Daniel and Ann Williams m 1865 one of their children Ellinor (Ellen) b1876 was my gt. grandmotherThey were at pentre bont between 1865 and 1873 so my taid was a little out with his places. I have the front page of the family bible which has given me all the details sadly the rest of the bible had fallen to pieces and the page I have is very fragile

[bronnie]

The reason I ask about Williams is that my grandfather had 2 half brothers of this name, born 1880 and 1886. Not the same immediate branch of your Williams family however!
Thanks for response. Always worth a try!
Bronwen

[chinakay]

Hello, I've just seen this thread...I have Williamses, Moses and Catherine Jane, and Pentre-Bont sounds very very familiar, I'm sure some of them were there. Also Ty-Capel, so maybe it was the generation before. Give me a while to check my notes and see what I've got.

Did any of your Williamses emigrate?

Cheers,
China

[bronnie]

Did any of your Williamses emigrate?

Not to my knowledge, although I don't know a lot about them.
My great grandmother Gwen was widow of Hugh Williams(1856), whose family farmed at Pen Rhiw, Dolwyddelan. ( I already have a Rootschatter connection for this family).
Gwen had 2 sons, Robert (1880) and Griffith (1886), living with her in Pentre Bont in 1891. Robert was a quarryman by 1901, still living with her and second husband in Blaenau Ffestiniog, whilst Griffith was a farm worker at Hafod Gwennlian, nr Roman Bridge. I believe Griffith went on to have a daughter Gwen but that's all I know. They would be my grandfather's half-brothers.

Bronwen

[chinakay]

Hello Bronwen...my mistake, Pentre Bont sounded familiar because it's right by the train station in Dolwyddelan. We used to take the train from London and walk from the Dolwyddelan station to my mother's aunt's house.

Pen Rhiw is interesting though. My Williamses were at BeudyBach, or BendyBach, in 1851 and 1861. The very next entries, so presumably the next farm, on the census sheets are more Williamses at Pen Rhiw.

Even though I know that Williamses are not necessarily related to each other, there still might be a connection...I'd like to know when they all started using the Williams family name...

Cheers,
China

[chinakay]

Oh, and my lot were at Tan-y-Benar in 1891.

C