Turner/Emery

[Old-Bonez]

Hi again Crystal

I'm quite happy to accept the possibility that he actually died in Lane End (Longton) and the 12 day difference is the time it took to organise everything.

Next time you are looking things up could you look for the marriage of potter Johns sister Sarah Turner to Samuel Emery. Family Search has it as "10 JUN 1762 Saint Mary, Stafford" which I have just found this morning.

This search may just reveal where she was from and better still her parents names which is just what I've wanted to find for the past 2 years.

That would be a great start to the new year for me (wishful thinking hehehehe)

Rob

[Dozey_Joy]

Hi Rob and Crystal.

Hope you both had a good Christmas and best wishes for the new year.

Rob I'm going into Stafford on Wednesday and hope to spend a couple of hours in the records office. Is there anything in particular you want checking? I'll look at Samuel Emery's marriage for you then look at the registers for Brewood again. Are you interested in the Emery family if I come across them in my search? Whilst I'm there I'll also check where the registers for Longton are held as Stoke on Trent has its own archives.

Joy

[Old-Bonez]

Thanks Joy. Lets all hope that this New Year isn't as bad as it is predicted to be. And I'm closing my business to retire too. Hey it might be timed very well.

A quick refresh of my wish list to get back on track.
1) Identity of Potter Johns Parents which is evasive because I can't find where potter John was from... I don't believe he was from Brewood
2) Confirm the BDM of known ancestors within the Brewood Register

Well today I've received confirmation that the Book "Ancient Brewood" (Mary Wakefield) isn't available in any Australian Library so once again I have to revert to asking for help.

Several sources have made a quote from that book which all are slightly different. I need to know exactly what is written in relation to the father of potter John Turner.
Was he a "Staffordshire Lawyer" OR "Lawyer Turner of Brewood" OR "Lawyer Turner of Brewood Hall"??

The Book "Turners of Lane End" (Bevis Hillier) leaves you with the impression that they owned and lived in Brewood Hall for 3 or 4 generations but my research has found occupation of the Hall only after the 1800's. There is information of Johns father-in-law (wife Ann Emery) father William Emery leasing the Hall from Monkton which I imagine is about 1750. Potter John was born 1738 so if William Emery leased Brewood Hall then logically Lawyer Turner wouldn't be from the Hall. Sure his grandson Henry Turner carried on as a lawyer there until 1853 when Turner occupation of the Hall ceased.

I'll PM you joy with information on how to access my tree so you know just I have.

Rob

[PaulStaffs]

A tiny snippet for you...

From the book 'Brewood'  (page 210) by David Horowitz:

"Stone Fleurs-de-lis, about two feet high, which formerly surmounted each of the gate piers, are said to have been the origin of the mark used by John Turner, the famous Staffordshire potter, whose father once lived at the Hall."

Best regards

Paul
(Just down the road from Brewood Hall!)

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Rob

They have a copy of Ancient Brewood on Amazon

Willow x

[Old-Bonez]

Hi Paul/Willow

Yes Paul I have come across that before but it is not correct. The Turner pottery mark was simply TURNER impressed into the pottery for the bulk of their work. For a while he also used the Prince of Wales feathers when he was appointed his potter and in the latter years "Turners Patent". He also had a few associated potteries where he was a partner.

Gee Willow things change fast. I looked there last night and nothing was available.... As I've already asked Joy to confirm just what was written I think I'll await her reply. If she has no luck then I'll purchase.

Rob

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Rob

I was on the .co.uk site but they said they can ship internationally

Willow x

[Dozey_Joy]

Hi Rob

I followed Crystal's example and wrote the marriage entries down word for word.

This means I looked at John Turner's marriage to Ann again and here's the full entry (I should have done this the first time!!)

St Marys & St Chad's, Brewood,

John Turner of the parish of Stoke in the County of Stafford, Potter and Ann Emery of this parish, spinster were married in this church by License with the consent of her father this fifteenth day of October one thousand seven hundred and fifty nine by me Richard Fenton Vicar. This marriage was solemnized between us John Turner and Ann Emery. In the presence of Richard (can't read surname) and Sam: Emery.  They all signed. 

Here's Samuel and Sarah's marriage.

St Marys, Stafford

Samuel Emery of the parish of Brewood, and Sarah Turner of this parish, spinster were married in this church by License this tenth day of June one thousand seven hundred and sixty two by me Joseph Dickenson, Rector. This marriage was solemnized between us Samuel Emery and Sarah Turner. In the presence of Henry S Turner and John Hurlbutt.  They all signed.

I also found the following marriage at St Marys Stafford which may be of interest to you. I don't know if there's any connection but the name caught my eye.

Henry Turner of the parish of Castle Church in this county, gentleman and Prudence Sutton of this parish, were married in this church by License this twenty second day of December one thousand seven hundred and fifty seven by me Joseph Dickenson, Rector. This marriage was solemnized between us Henry Turner and Prudence Sutton. In the presence of  John Hurlbutt and J. (can't read surname).    They all signed.

I looked at the baptisms for Brewood from 1759 to 1780. There are no baptisms for John and Ann's children. There are baptisms for both Samuel and Sarah's children and John and Catherine Turner's children.

Here are Samuel and Sarah's children - all the dates are baptism dates.

January 11th 1763        William son of Samuel and Sarah Emery
April 18th 1765              Samuel son of Samuel and Sarah Emery
May 17th 1766              Walter Turner son of Samuel and Sarah Emery
May 25th 1768              Sarah daughter of Samuel and Sarah Emery
June 8th 1769               Ann daughter of Samuel and Sarah Emery
September 24th 1770   John son of Samuel and Sarah Emery
March 7th 1772             Henry son of Samuel and Sarah Emery
June 3rd 1773               Elizabeth daughter of Samuel and Sarah Emery
February 28th 1775      Mary Ann daughter of Samuel and Sarah Emery
April 10th 1776             Prudence daughter of Samuel and Sarah Emery
September 22nd 1777  John son of Samuel and Sarah Emery
January 8th 1779         Fanny daughter of Samuel and Sarah Emery

Hope you find the above infomation useful.

[Old-Bonez]

And Joy states "Hope you find the information useful" .... I'm ecstatic!

John Turners marriage states "In the presence of Richard ? & Sam Emery".  I trust they would be what we have now as a Witness and are always a great friend or family member. In Ann's case this "Sam" is probably an unknown brother. In Johns case Richard would be a trusted friend ... if the Last word was Turner I'm sure you would have recognised it.

Sarah Turners marriage reveals she was from that parish so I now know she was living there for a while then. I have another unknown family member as it was witnessed by Henry S Turner who could be another brother.

The marriage of Henry Turner is interesting too as it reveals "Castle Church" and the same witness name of John Hurlbutt has me thinking  and asking was he a friend or a professional witness???

The missing Baptisms for John and Ann's children is no surprise as they settled in Lane End and you have disproved my theory that Ann returned to Brewood to have her children in the family home (Brewood Hall)

The dozen children of Sarah and Samuel Emery is great to find as I had none of their children.

Thank you very very much for the great information as it has filled in another sector of the Turner Time line in Brewood.

One question to answer though. Would you please let me know just what years you have looked at so we know those years are researched.

It now appears that I will have to investigate "Castle Church" as a possible place of birth of my John Turner. I will know if I have the right family as it will probably be a family of Walter, Henry, John & Sarah to possibly parents John and Sarah although I'm now starting to think twice about my parents name theory... give me a little time to digest this before delving in head first.

Grinning like a chessire cat

Rob