can someone sort out my muddle please !

[mariac]

Have just found this 1861 census RG9 piece 2147 Folio 13 P9
Birmingham
Henry Bridgen 22 Stourbridge glass blower
Clara    do      22   Birmingham  tin plate worker
Thomas  do    2mths  do

Birth Thomas Bridgen Birmingham june Q 1861
Death   Thomas Bridgen  do        Sept Q 1861

Possible marriage Henry Bridgens m Clara Bellamy Dec Q 1860 Birmingham Vol 6d p 202
Is it possible that Clara and Sarah may be the same person

[jasper2]

I did see this before and wondered if it was a spelling mistake ! I will look into it further ! ta very much all ! jasper !

[Ecneps]

Hi Jasper,

I read Henry Bridgens' age as 23 on the 1871 census, so don't think he could be the same one in 1861 census aged 22 married to Clara. 

The order of the children on the 1871 suggests that John Bridgen aged 11 is the son of perhaps a brother of Henry, and that only Thomas Henry is Henry & Sarah's son.

Possible parents for John, he is not with them in 1871:

1861 RG9/2162 fol.75 p.13
William & Martha Bridgins with children
James H 9, Richard 7, George 5, John H 1

 
I wonder if Sarah died, and this could be Henry in 1881, remarried to a Mary Jane, with the Edgley children John & Harriet taking his name

RG11/3029 fol.110 p.9
2 Ct, 8 House,  Richard Street,  Aston
BRIDGENS
Henry             head 33  Glass Blower     Birmingham    
Mary Jane       wife  32  Wife of  "  "    
John               son   16   Gun Barrel Filer          "    
Harriet            dau  12   Scholar                      "
Thomas           son  11       "                             "     
Mary Maria      dau    7       "                             "
Benjamin         son    6        "                            "
Elizabeth         dau    5        "                            "      
Maria ALSOPP m.in.law     wid 50  Bridle Stitcher    Walsall, Stafford


A couple of certificates needed here I think, I'd start with Louisa Edgely's birth
Mar 1870   Aston    6d   305 
- or  Thomas Henry Bridgens  - Mar 1871  Aston    6d   346
then you'd know for certain what Sarah's maiden name was.

Maybe the older Edgleys were children of Sarah before Sarah & Henry's marriage - as he would only have been abt 15 when Sarah Edgley was born.


Hope this helps,
Barbara 
 

[jasper2]

hi barbara , I have found john edgeley on the1891, 1901 and the 1871 census , the 1891 and 01 census he is living with his sister mary ann who is now married to william trowman ,
harriet is also on a census working as a servant so I really dont think this is them in 1881 , but all ideas are gratefully accepted ! cos I havent a clue as to who the parents are ! If george cox showed up somewhere I might have a bit of a chance to sort out this muddle !  but thanks to all and everyone who has spent time looking for them !
perhaps if I could find sareh edgeley and george smiths marriage it would help with the detective work as the marriage certificate should state her father ! at least it would be a start!  I will keep digging and see what comes about ! jasper2

[mariac]

Hi Jasper,
   Do you have a certificate or something else to know that the family in the 1871 census are the correct people you are looking for? Just wondering
 
It does seem strange that George Cox does not seem to be anywhere on any other census doesnt it?
Regards
Mariac
 

[Ecneps]

Hi Jasper,

I agree with mariac, and as I said earlier, you really need some confirmation by getting the birth certificate for Thomas Henry Bridgens 1870

Then you'll know for sure if his mother Sarah was actually a Cox and George's daughter, or if she was his daughter-in-law and married to the son of George's (possible) second wife as Mum44 found earlier.  Then you would be able to get further back with George too. (otherwise it's all guesswork)

As to the Edgleys, if you don't think I've found the right ones in 1881, have you been able to find any of them in that census?? 

Kind regards,
Barbara
 

[jasper2]

ok , back to the beginning, my great greatgrandmother was ada harriett smith , on her birth certificate her father was georgeand mother sarah (formerley edgeley)
I have several census records with ada and her mum and dad , it is on these census that sarah was from leceister so ive been trying to find sarah with her parents and found her with grandparents instead !
sarah married george smith  1880 ish and after george died she married an edward keatley in 1905 who happened to be lodging with them in 1901 !
barbara , they could be my lot but I will probe deeper and have a little look the family mentioned earlier with alsopp as mother in law is definetly not sarah cox/brigden etc she is sarah wilder so that eliminates her ! what a hard family to have !!!!! thankyou !!!! all soo much !

[Ecneps]

Right!  So take it one step at a time, and your first step is to find George Smith/Sarah Edgley's marriage before anything else, I feel.

Not on freebmd it seems, so have you looked right through the full GRO index?

Barbara

[jasper2]

BARBARA  BARBARA !!!!! JASPER IS A MUPPETT! YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT I THINK!  right in the time between the postings this is what I found out