from GERMANY to INDIA to WALES

[aghadowey]

Have just come across frifra's post above which I find very interesting.
My great-grandfather left the Palatine region c1884 when he was about 15 years to play the clarinet in a band along with several cousins and other boys from his village. They travelled to America and played all summer and into the autumn. In exchange for playing the boys were given room and board and also money which was to be sent back home to their families. At the end of the season the man in charge took off and they later discovered no money had ever been sent back home. Fortunately my great-grandfather's oldest brother was already in America and able to help him find a job to earn some money.

[auntie mandy]

Hi Everyone

I would like to thank you for taking the time to read my story, and for all the help and advice which have proved  invaluable.

Just to let you know what I have found - last week I visited the National Archives in Kew - I was lucky and found My GG GF Philip Young's army records.

He enlisted in the British Army, 96th Regiment on the 19/02/1859, in Warwick, England,  he listed his place of birth as Chippin Norton, Oxfordshire, England  - under distinctive marks was written "none - speaks broken english".  !!!!    He was 23 years old, 5 feet 6 and a quarter inch tall, with dark brown hair, hazel eyes and a sallow complexion.

He married Anne Maria Hoffield (Hoffeld) on the 10th May 1865, in Grahams Town, South Africa, where he was stationed between 1863 and 1865.

He landed in India on 01/01/1866, he transferred to 40th of Foot Regiment on 01/09/1873, where he was stationed until 1883.  When he then returned to england and was discharged on 13/02/1883.

So far I have found a possible nine children - 7 born in India and 2 born in Cardiff, Wales.

It looks like he never became a british subject legally - as he lied on his enlistment.

My only question now is his wife - ANNE MARIA HOFFELD (Hoffield) - was she actually German and living in South Africa or was she South African?

Thanks again for all of you help.

Mandy

[frifra]

Hi Mandy,

your GGGF did not lie about his age: in Feb 1859 he had just turned 23 (born 12.1.1839), he had lied about his origin/nationality in order to be able to enlist.
The question is, why he stayed in England in wintertime(!!). Usually travelling musicians  returned home in autumn to practise new tunes in winter for the coming season.

But he stayed in England and looked for a job with a regular income. Why? Did he already know his future wife ? The note "Volkmarsen" in the census hints at her German origin, - which would be a natural  choice for a young man who speaks but broken English.

Unfortunately I had to give the Rothselberg book back before I read your message, but here are some notes I took:

Philipp Jung was the youngest  of 7 children, three of whom survived:
1. Johannes Jung *1820 Rothselberg
2. Catharina Jung *1828 R., married in Jettenbach in 1857
3. Philipp Jung *12.1.1836 R.

his parents:
Johannes Jung (*2.7.1786) and Elisabeth Mohr from Kreimbach on the Lauter

grandparents:
Nikolaus Jung (*30.2.1756) and Maria Magdalena Jung(*3.2.1761)
Adam Mohr and Catharina Cassel from Niedereisenbach

greatgrandparents Jung:
Nicolaus Jung(*1714 calculated) and Anna Catharina Rech from Erzenhausen
(Nic's second marriage in 1752, - his first had been in 1736)

GGGfather: Wilhelm Jung

Regards
Frifra