Henderson

[grada]

Hi All

Can anyone help with birth details for Elizabeth Henderson?daughter of John Henderson and Janet Allan.  I know she married Alexander Davie 18/11/1846 in Auchterderran Fife, and died not long after giving birth to her youngest son in 1871 in Dalgety Fife.  I think her parents married in Kinfauns Perth.
Any help would be welcome

Grada

[ev]

hi grada

i see scotlandspeople death details has a birth year c1827

ev

[MonicaL]

Hi Grada and Ev

Elizabeth Henderson is showing Auchterderran as her birth place in 1861/71. Can't see anything for her birth in the OPRs unfortunately.  This looks like Elizabeth and family in 1841 - everyone showing as born in the County apart from John Snr.:

John Henderson 47, coal miner, b. Scotland
Janet Henderson 37
Elizabeth Henderson 15
Henry Henderson 12
James Henderson 10
Catherine Henderson 8
John Henderson 6
Janet Henderson 4
Philip Henderson 1
John Paton 40

Address: Easter Sough, Abbotshall

Monica 

[Gaie]

Hi grada, ev and Monica

I'm not sure which Elizabeth Henderson is the right one 

1851 Census for Elizabeth & husband Alexander shows her birthplace as Auchterderran:

Parish: Burntisland; ED: 1B; Page:  6; Line: 8; Roll: 674
Address: Stanhouse, Burntisland, Fife
Alexander Davie, Head 25 (c1826) Ag Lab, born Aberdour
Elizabeth Wife 26 (c1825) born Auchterderran
George, Son, 4 (c1847) born Aberdour
Alexr, Son 1 (c1850) born Auchertool
Mary Watson 11 servant born Ireland

There's an Elizabeth born c1827 in Abbotshall, married to a Robert Davie and showing in the 1871/81 censuses, who may be the same as the one you posted, Monica.  (Just to annoy us!!!)

The 1851 census for father John and wife Janet has sons John & Philip still at home, but for some reason Janet is listed on Ancestry as Janet Ramsay - I can't see the image to check!
I'll post the details....

Gaie

[Gaie]

1851 Census
Parish: Kinglassie; ED: 1; Page:  9; HS: 33; Line: 2
Cluny Bridge, Kinlassie, Fife
John Henderson Head 57 (c1794) Coal Miner born Ducketland, Perth (can't find that on the map!)
Janet Ramsay Wife 47 (c1804) Coal Miner Wife, born Markinch, Fife
James Son 20 (c1831) Coal Miner born Auchterderran, Fife
John Son 16 (c1835) Coal Miner, born Auchterderran, Fife
Philip Son 11 (c1840) Scholar, born Auchterderran, Fife

Well, that's more helpful in that the brothers are shown as being born in Auchterderran as well

Perhaps someone can look at the image to see why Janet is transcribed as "Ramsay"?

Kind regards
Gaie

[MonicaL]

I'm confused too Gaie 

The only OPR entry showing for that 1851 entry you posted DOES show the mother Janet as Ramsey:

JAMES HENDERSON  Birth: 05 OCT 1830  Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland
Parents: JOHN HENDERSON and JANET RAMSAY

There is also a submitted entry for an Elizabeth Henderson b. 1826 in Abbotshall to these parents (strikes me someone has possibly taken this from the 1841 census family I posted). There are other submitted entries for some of the other children with mother as Ramsay.

Might be worthwhile Grada you looking at the 1855 birth cert for Janet born 08 APR 1855 Kinghorn. The first year of official reg in Scotland and certs ran over two pages of the register with a wealth of extra info. For birth certs, it should include where and when parents married and where they were born and their ages. Also details of the number of children they'd had to then, alive or deceased.

Monica
   

[MonicaL]

There are two deaths showing, one for a Janet Allan Henderson (1874) and also Janet Ramsay Henderson (1882).

The husbands, John, occupations: Coal miner (husband of Janet Ramsay) and Boot maker (husband of Janet Allan).

Grada, with Elizabeth's early death in 1871, what was the occupation of her father John and did he and mother Janet show as alive or deceased?

Elizabeth's DC clearly says Allan for mother, just trying to work forward before going back to try and find her family. Her birth certainly doesn't show unfortunately, regardless of what we have discussed regarding mother Allan/Ramsay.

Monica

[JAP]

There are extracted marriage entries for a John HENDERSON & a Janet ALLAN in the IGI - 8 Mar 1812 Kinnoul Perth and 20 Mar 1812 Kinfauns Perth.  But are these the parents of Elizabeth (HENDERSON) DAVIE?

I don't see a marriage in the IGI for an Alexander DAVIE & an Elizabeth HENDERSON ca 1846.  But there are the following children in Fife to a couple of those names:
George 1846 Aberdour
Andrew 1853 Kinghorn
Janet 1855 Kinghorn
William 1858 Burntisland
James 1864 Dalgety
Female 1866 Burntisland
Betsey 1868 Burntisland
Charles 1871 Dalgety

If George is the first son, then this might suggest that Alexander DAVIE could be the Alexander, son of George DAVIE and Janet KINNELL who married 1822 in Aberdour ...
George & Janet had:
James 1823
Alexander 1825
George 1827
William 1829
Janet 1831
Mary 1834
Christian Elder 1836
Helen 1839
Charles 1841
Andrew Wilkie 1843
John 1846

Sorry if all this is well-known already  - but at least it sorts it out in my mind.

Cheers,

JAP

[JAP]

And George & Janet in the 1841 on FreeCEN at Cullets Woods, Aberdour are the following DAVIEs, all b Fife - George 40 Ag Lab, Janet 35, William 10, Janet 8, Mary 6, Christian 4, Helen 2

JAP