Upton Upon Severn Parish Marriage Look up Please

[cire]

Hi Jilly
Re Susannah Pitt

I am researching , from England, a family in Australia.
There is a Elizabeth Mirriam Walker who married a John Koetsveld in Daylesford Victoria in October 1863. On the marriage cert, I am told, she gives her father as William Walker, a carpenter, and her mother as Susan Pitt. Elizabeth said she was born in Welland Worcestershire which is in the Upton on Severn registration district. I am also told that she died in 1927 aged 88 which would put her birth around 1839.

I have in the last few days sent for the marriage cert. for the Susannah Pitt you mentioned in 1840, this being the only thing on free BMD which has the William Walker and a Susannah Pitt on the same page. I haven't been able to find any trace of the couple in the 1841 or 1851 censuses, so I'm not sure that they are a "couple". I will let you know what happens. The GRO haven't come back and said that the two names are not a "couple" so far. Expecting the cert , might be Saturday or early next week.

Have you found anything more on Susanna Pitt since 2008?

Eric

[Firehorse]

Hello Eric, Thanks for your message regarding Susannah Pitt.  I must admit I haven't got any further on Susannah and the Pitt family since my computer crashed a while back and then life took over as it does when you try to family tree.    I'm still very interested, though, to follow the line, though I hit several brick walls with the Pitts and thought that if I stopped looking for a bit with a view to coming back to it, things might emerge when I look again with fresher eyes. 

I'm very interested in what you have found regarding the Australian line!  The Susannah/Walker marriage sounds very promising and I'm glad that you have sent for the marriage certificate.  It would be great if this is the correct Susannah especially if they emigrated to Australia. 

I don't think that I mentioned in my previous posts about my Susannah Pitt's parents.  They were Henry Pitt b. 1782 d. Jul. 31 1837 (shopkeeper) (not sure whether he was born Worcestershire, Herefordshire or even Leicestershire, though I have tried to look for records of his birth which are inconclusive.)  He married Grace Woodcock 27 June 1806 in Gilmorton, Leicestershire.  Grace was born 1786 Gilmorton, Leics and died 1859 in Upton. 

Henry Pitt's and Grace Woodcock's children were as follows: 

Sarah Pitt b. 1807 Gilmorton Leics.
Mary Ann Pitt b. 1808 Gilmorton, Leics.
William Woodcock Pitt b. 1813 All Saints, Hereford, Hereford
Elizabeth Pitt b. 1818 "  "  "  "
Susannah Pitt b. 1820 Pembridge, Herefordshire **I'm working off the assumption (if) she married around 1840-ish and if she did who was it to??**
Emma Pitt b. 1822  "   " 
Sophia Matilda Pitt b. 1824 "   " 
Henry Pitt b.c. 1827 Upton Upon Severn, Worcs. **(my Gx2 Grandfather)
Harriet Maria Pitt b. 1829 Upton Upon Severn, Worcs.

As you can see, the family migrated between these three counties.

Anyway, thanks again for contacting me and it would be great to hear back from you pending the results of the marriage certificate. 

Kind regards,

Jilly 

[cire]

Hi Jilly
Just to say that we have a post strike so I haven't got the marriage cert. yet. Will let you have details as soon as I get them.

A bit of a wild shot, but do you have anyone named Olrenshaw, in the family?
Message from Australia suggests that an old family story!!! has Elizabeth Mirriam Walker living with an aunt named Olrenshaw in Coventry as a child!!!!

You know what family stories can be!!!!!

regards

Eric

[cire]

Hi Jilly

The marriage cert. has arrived!!!!!!

Good news I think!!

August 24th 1840 Parish Church of Powick in the county of Worcester.

William Walker  of age  bach   carpenter     residence Blockhouse Worcester
  father Charles Walker    cabinet maker
Susannah Pitt   of age   spin                        residence Worcester St Martins
  father Henry Pitt   (no occupation given)

witnesses Esther Barritt & Grace Pitt

certainly appears to be the right lady for you and the right marriage for me!!"!!!!!!!! Would you like a photocopy?

an elated Eric

[cire]

Hello Jilly
Just to tell you I have today found William & Susannah Walker in the 1841 census. They were living as lodgers in a house in Union Place Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire. Presumably William was working there as a carpenter.

HO 107   380   5   5

But there was no Elizabeth Mirriam with them, so perhaps she was not quite as old as she said in her marriage cert. in Australia.

regards

Eric

[cire]

Hello Jilly
I have been searching for the Elizabeth Miriam Walker who claimed her parents were William Walker and Susannah Pitt for a long while and I thought you would be interested in this.
I sent you details of a marriage between William Walker and Susan Pitt in 1841.
IThe web site I use for census data has now uploaded the 1851 census for Worcestershire and I find this:--

Susan Feild  head   age 31   seamstress  born Pembridge Herefordshire
Elizabeth Pitt  daughter  aged 8   born Worcestershire.
Feild spelling as on census return!

The Susannah Pitt, daughter of Henry and Grace was born in 1820 in Pembridge, so this appears to be the same lady who married William Walker!!!!!

There is a birth registration on the GRO and a baptism on Family search for Elizabeth Pitt daughter of Susannah Pitt.

Haven't sorted this out properly but it looks as though William Walker either died or disappeared and Susannah reverted to her maiden name and then marrried someone named Field, but he wasn't at home on census night.
There is a Michael Field working as an ostler in a coaching inn in Worcester in 1851.

If I make any more progress I'll let you know.

regards

Eric

[Firehorse]

Hello Eric,  That's brilliant!    Well done for finding that and thanks for letting me know!  I checked on my census website and they had Elizabeth's last name down as 'Pett' and not 'Pitt'.  Spelling of Susan's name was 'Feild'. 

I looked for a marriage and found a Michael Henley Field on the same page as Susan Pitt for 1850 December Quarter, Worcestershire Vol. 18.  So this could very well be the Michael Field that you had noted elsewhere in the 1851. 

So, as you say, it looks like William Walker perhaps died or left and Susan reverted back to 'Pitt'. 

I'm going to take a look to see if there's more I can find. 

Thanks again! 

Jill

[Firehorse]

Hi again Eric,  Did Susan Pitt go over to Australia or did Elizabeth Miriam Walker go alone?  Is there a possibility Susan died before Elizabeth emigrated?  I can't pinpoint a death for Susan.  -  Jilly

[Firehorse]

Eric,

I've just checked on the 1861 Census to try to find Elizabeth Pitt and found this entry:

RG9, Piece 2014, Folio 22, Page 1
Walsall, Staffordshire

Ann WALKER, Head, Wid., 62, Seamstress, Cheshire, Macclesfield
Louisa Osbourne, Lodger, Unmar., 20, Staffordshire, Walsall
Elizabeth PITT, Lodger, Unmar., 23, Dressmaker, Worcester, Worcestershire

I can't be certain it is the correct Elizabeth, but the age seems to match and, of course, the location of birth.  Another thing to note is that Elizabeth's mother was a seamstress and it notes Elizabeth as being a dressmaker.  I wonder if Ann Walker could be a relative of William Walker???

Let me know what you think, or am I barking up the wrong 'tree'?!

Jilly