John Ashton - Elizabeth Nuttall

[heywood]

There is a possible marriage for Alice Nuttall and John Spencer in 1850.

1841 - difficult as you have no real pointers- she gives various districts of Bury as her birthplace I think but if you thought it was her,the marriage certificate would help perhaps.

1871
Elizabeth born Yorkshire - Elizabeth Spencer is the married daughter of John and Ann Nuttall and Alice is a boarder so I don't think that is her. Intreseting though about the names.

The other Elizabeth is also a married daughter of the Nabb family- her husband is with her so again I doubt that it is her.

As for John Silker- I agree it must be him but we will never know perhaps why he is listed as that name!

[moe1939]

Morning Heywood ,

The same conclusion I came to and as you said it is interesting how 3 1871 census have basically the same names .

Is Walmesley they refer to part of Bury or misspelled part of Bolton I can't find anything on the map at Bury.

It is possable that even a neighbour could have given the name John Silker with the silker referring to his work eg: John the silker as you say we will never know.

If you come across the name of Alice's mother married to John Nuttall 1790 or even stumble on the John Ashton 1848 (he could be born 1847
if the birth was after the census date) there is one i am looking into and his father John please let me know.

Thank you for your input it has cleared up some issues for me.

Have a good day ... Moe

[heywood]

Hi again,
if you 'google map' Bury you can see Walmesley just north of Bury- on the way to Ramsbottom where Elizabeth says she is from on one census.
Elton where I think Alice says she is from on at least one is on the Bolton Road.
Have I missed that Alice's dad is John Nuttall b 1790?

[moe1939]

I have John Nuttall b 1790 from the 1871 census listing him as 81 yrs old.     P 3950 f 68 Pg 15

[heywood]

Oops sorry! I must have missed him off before and never thought about him but irritatingly he only turns up in 1871 in a general search using Manchester as place of birth   

[heywood]

can't see anything that fits.

I was going to ask where you are based and then recalled Canada? Then saw your little flag is that so?

[moe1939]

I am in Nova Scotia Canada but was born in Heywood Lancs. My mother's side is the name Heap and I was able to get alot from her side before she died at 99 yrs old last Dec. but not too much from Ashton side.
 
I was in Stockport the end April 2008 and the Monday in May was to be used for the Stockport Library but it was a bank holiday so I missed out when I went to Sussex to bury my mother on Tuesday.

I did meet a cousin for the first time and her husband she was a Heap from Bolton my ggGF and hers were brothers or something like that.
The wife and I are hoping to get over again next spring

[heywood]

I'll try to go to Bury library and look for the Alice Nuttall/ John Spencer marriage to see if there is anything to help there.
My grandfather was born Heywood and my daughter's famiy are Heap - but not from there!

[moe1939]

My Heap family are from Bolton and moved  to Heywood in 1850
I am back as far as 1700 +/-

I'll try to go to Bury library and look for the Alice Nuttall/ John Spencer marriage to see if there is anything to help there.
My grandfather was born Heywood and my daughter's famiy are Heap - but not from there!