Pickett/Piggott - 18th centruty - Haslemere/Chiddingfold Surrey

[mick cooper]

Hi

I am looking for help.     I am researching my Pickett/Pigott ancestral line and would be happy to share anything I have and/or to receive any info or advice that might help.   

My interest commences, going backwards, with Jane Pickett who purportedly married William Collins, a house painter from Chelsea, probably in the mid 1830's, although I have been unable to find this marriage.   

Children of this marriage were William John 7/4/1837, Mary Ann 1837-8, Henry 1841, Edward 1842-4, Emily 17/6/1845, Alfred 1847-8, Charles 1852-3 - all Chelsea St Luke area. The boys were all house painters like their father, except for Henry who was a carpenter.  They all seemed to have spent all their lives in the same part of St Luke-cum-Worlds-End.

Jane is shown across the censuses with birth years 1811-4 with her death in 1875 age 64.   Her birthplace is shown as Haslemere.   LDS has a Jane Piggott chr 14/3/1813 in Haslemere parents John & Jane.   

There seem to be two younger - James chr 5/11/1820 and William chr 17/6/1827 and three elder siblings - John chr 30/5/1802, Harriott chr 14/10/1804 & Sarah chr 24/9/1809 - all in Haslemere.

John Piggott (senior) married Jane Ellis 1/2/1798 in Haslemere.   All looks good so far.

At this stage things get a bit tricky.   Jane Ellis is presumably the one christened 20/8/1780 in Chiddingfold, parents Thomas & Jane.   There is a John Pickett christened 13/3/1785 in Haslemere, parents John & Ann, but whose birth date I do not know.  However, if it was close to his baptism then he would have only been 12 or 13 when he married - not impossible, but.........!   especially as there is no obvious evidence of a little Piggott (or Pigglett) at that time.

A local alternative is John Pickett chr 11/1/1763 in Chiddingfold,  father Abraham, although it might perhaps be that he was the father of the John 1785.   He also seems a bit old.   Another possibility, but a little further away, is John Piggott, chr 24/4/1774 at St Mary Guilford father John, or even John Piggott chr 3/12/1778 Oxted parents Wm & Ann.  Any ideas?

It looks as if a number of the Haslemere & Chiddingfold Picketts relate further back to Abraham Pickett whose son Abraham married Elizabeth Matthew in Chiddingfold in 1755.  However, I have not quite got to this point.

Help!

Thanks

Mick

[CCRAIL]

Hi Mick
I see your post is a little while ago but had a look in the Haslemere Register transcripts and found these couple of entries that may be relevant.  There are others but if you need more info you will need to let me have specifics and I will look and see.

30 May 1802 – John son of John & Jane Piggott of Chiddingfold was baptised in Haslemere.

24 September 1809 – Sarah daughter of John & Jane Piggott of Chiddingfold was baptised in Haslemere, Born August 10 1809.

Hope this helps
CCRAIL

[OneBigFamily]

I dont know if you are with us still, but here is the marriage if you did not find it...

William Collins, bachelor, otp, married Jane Pickett, spinster otp, after banns at the parish church of St John the Evangelist, Paddington in the county of Westminster, Borough of Middlesex on 4th October 1836.  Cannot read witness names, but one of them has surname of Cooper. William signed and Jane made her mark.

Penny

[mick cooper]

Hiya CCRAIL and Penny,

Thank you very much for your recent responses to my Pickett/Piggott post - it is very kind.   

It is also kind of you to offer to help further.   I live abroad - trying to earn a crust when you get older and you have to keep the family home going and the kids in education means you have to go where anyone will pay you!!    It also means I cannot get to record centres, graveyards and the like!      Anyway, I will go through what I have and if you have any thoughts, you will have my undying gratitude.   Most of my research in this area has come from the old LDS site and I have not seen any of the original records in Surrey.   It may be that there will be further clues there (such as birth dates, people to explain dubious links, etc.).   

I had been able to find the parish record for the William Collins - Jane Pickett marriage and, like Penny, could not read the witness names although I do not think, in this case, that they would provide any other clues. 

From the LDS site, I had found a baptism for Jane Piggott 14/3/1813 in Haslemere to parents John and Jane Piggott which looks pretty good to me.     

From LDS, I have a list of probable siblings for my Jane, all in Haslemere to parents John & Jane.     
John bpt 30/5/1802
Harriott bpt 14/10/1804
Sarah bpt 24/9/1809
James bpt 5/11/1820
William bpt 17/6/1827
I do not have birth dates for any of these except for Sarah b 10/9/1809.   The implication of this is that John & Jane probably baptised their children soon after birth.   The gap between Sarah & James is is obviously suspicious and it may be that these in fact had different parents.

LDS shows a John Piggott married Jane Ellis 1/2/1798 in Haslemere and again, this looks pretty good to me.

I am struggling to guess the birth/baptism details of John Piggott/Pickett.     There is a John Pickett baptised 13/3/1785 in Haslemere to parents John & Ann.   Unless this was an adult baptism, then for this to be the same John who married Jane Ellis, then he must have married very young!    Hmm....not impossible.   

There is also a John Pickett baptised 11/1/1763 in Chiddingfold, father Abraham.   However, if he was the John who married Jane Ellis then he would have around twice her age!   Hmm.....also not impossible.     

One possible construction is that the 1785 John was in fact born several years earlier and that the 1763 John is his father.   

In 1841, in Chiddingfold, there was a John Pickett age 80 with a housekeeper Elizabeth Pickett age 58 (perhaps this was Jane?), and also a John Pickett age 56.  Neither entry gives any further clues!  I could not find Jane. 

I could not find a marriage between a John Pickett & Ann, presumably 1780-5. 

The older John Pickett was buried in Chiddingfold 1/4/1849 age 86.   Jane Piggott was buried in Chiddingfold 21/1/1856 age 72.  She is shown as a widow in 1851. 

Unless there is an alternative scenario, then it would appear that all routes lead to Abraham Pickett.   Abaraham Piggot was baptised 30/1/1717 in Chiddingfold to father Abraham, and married Elizabeth Matthew 13/7/1755 in Chiddingfold.     I did note that Abaraham, who had at least two siblings, & Elizabeth had at least 7 children and that one of them, another Abraham, had around 9! 

I suspect that Jane Ellis was the one baptised 20/8/1780 in Chiddingfold to parents Thomas & Jane.    Thomas Ellis seems to have married a Jane Winson 1/11/1778 in Chiddingfold.    There is a baptism for a Thomas Ellis 8/11/1759 in Hambledon to James & Mary Ellis.    There is a baptism for a Jane Winson 25/1/1759 in Chiddingfold father William.   William is probably the one who married Sarah Horsely 7/11/1758.

Overall, it looks as if anyone around before 1800 in the Chiddingfold/Haslemere (possibly also Hambledon) areas named Pickett, Piggott, Ellis, Winson, Horsely and Matthew are likely to be of substantial interest to me.   Obviously my main interest is to try to be sure that my construction is reasonable and, if so, to push further back beyond Abraham Pickett, Elizabeth Matthew, James & Thomas Ellis, William Winson & Sarah Horsely. 

So, if you are passing by any local records, I hope you will be able to jot down any snippets that may be of interest to me.   Thank you very much.

Regards

Mick