*Completed* - Birth / Marriage - William Graham - JAMES GRAHAM

[brodie5]

I am trying to find the parents of William Graham (Born approx 1834 Scone Perthshire).
I have checked the census records and discovered that he married Helen Thomson (Born 1839 Lochee Forfarshire).
I have traced William back to the 1851 census and Helen to the 1861 census but both are living independently from their parents and so no clues there !
I have not found their birth records and so i am now stuck .....

Does anyone have any ideas or information regarding Williams parents?

Thankyou.

[MonicaL]

Hi Brodie

Welcome to RootsChat 

The best place for you to start is to view William and Helen's marriage certificate on line at Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
The cert. will include, amongst other info, their parents' names including mothers' maiden names which will let you hopefully trace their families.

There is only one marriage showing in the period you are looking at:

WILLIAM GRAHAM  and HELEN THOMSON Marriage: 25 MAY 1866  Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian

This looks like them in 1871:

William Graham 36, flax porter, b. Scoon
Hellen Graham 32, b. Lochio (spl), Forfarshire
Jessie D Graham 4, b. Dundee
James T Graham 3, b. Dundee
William Graham 1, b. Dundee

Address: Shaws Pend Cowgate, St Andrew Angus

Regards.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

Some of their children's birth entries, from IGI at www.familysearch.org (free to search and view):

1. JESSIE GRAHAM  Birth: 23 MAR 1867 Dundee
2. JAMES THOMSON GRAHAM Birth: 25 FEB 1868 Dundee
3. WILLIAM GRAHAM Birth: 21 FEB 1870 Dundee
4. JOHN GRAHAM Birth: 26 DEC 1871 Dundee
5. PHILIP GRAHAM  Birth: 17 SEP 1874 Dundee

Monica

[brodie5]

Thanks very much for your help.  I had got the names of most of their children but John Graham was missing from the 1871 & 1881 census.  I guess he could have died at a young age?

Also the marriage info is very interesting - i could not find William in the 1861 census - so it is possible that he had by then moved to Edinburgh from Perth?

Thanks again.

[brodie5]

Thanks to some very useful previous advice I have now discovered that William Graham's parents were James Graham (Born: 1813 Aughtergaven) and Janet Duff (Born: 1811?).
They were married 1833 in Redgorton, Perth.

I think this is probably as far as i can go back, as i cannot find their birth records (i am a bit of a novice !) 

[MonicaL]

Brodie

There is this possible birth showing on the Old Parish Registers:

JAMES GRAHAM  Christening: 17 JUN 1810 Auchtergaven, Perth
Parents:WILLIAM GRAHAM and JANET GRIGOR

Going by the 1851 census in Redgorton for the family, looks likely that mother Janet Duff may have died between censuses. Last born child showing then is a James age 3. Will be harder to confirm her parents/birth place given that her death would have been before the start of official registration in 1855 (there are also too many possibilities in Perth around that time).

There is also the possibility, looking at the 1861 census, that James Graham may have remarried in 1856 in Redgorton to another Janet (PIRNIE). Again, his marriage cert will confirm his parents' names and show status (bachelor/widower). These early marriage certs didn't always show the name of first spouse for a second marriage but his death cert. may.

Monica 

[brodie5]

With your help I have increased the family details by at least two generaions.
I will take your advice and look at all the relevent marriage certificates on 'Scots People' to check the parents names.
I'll sign off this topic ... so that you can assist some other people !

Thanks Again :-)

[dawn32]

i am philip grahams grandaughter and it looks like we may be researching the same tree your post have confirmed a few things i had allready found but if i find anything i will be sure to tell you :]

my grandmother frequently took us down to broughty ferry wormit and dundee and would ofter refer to bankfoot as the place her ancesters came from

philip was born in 1874 bankfoot perthshire and died in 1962

here is a picture of my great grandad philip and his grandaughters janice liz and anne

[dawn32]

oh yeah i forgot to say i also have a helen graham listed in the 1891 census as i dressmaker born in 1877