Look Up Harwich - Marriage of William Gage PLAMPIN

[BMG]

Can anyone do a look up for me please for the marriage of a William Gage PLAMPIN occ tailor who I believe married Sarah no other details known at the parish church Harwich.

I do know they had one child baptised at Harwich namely William on the 22nd June 1811.

I have the microfiche of the parish records but unfortunately do not cover the period for this particular marriage.

William Gage PLAMPIN was baptised at Harwich on the 14th April 1787.

[Bryant]

Hello BMG

Welcome to rootschat

For the records........

a WILLIAM PLAMPIN aged 2 was buried 22 Dec 1783 at St Nicholas, Harwich

a WILLIAM PLAMPIN aged 2 days was buried 22 Jun 1811          "         "

In the census of 1841 their are 94 PLAMPIN's Nationally........none at Harwich!

32 are at Sudbury, Essex
36 are at Sudbury, Suffolk..........Sudbury spans the boundaries of Essex and Suffolk
and the other 26 are dotted around in the home counties and Worcs/Warwickshire......all the older male Plampin's in the 1861 census appear to come from Sudbury or surrounding area...........so that might suggest that Sudbury is a good place to look for a marriage?

Bryant

[BMG]

Hi Bryant,

Thanks for that. The PLAMPINS originate from Nayland and I have traced then back there quite successfully. I have the fische for Harwich but miscalcualted and  failed to purchase the fische for marriages for the period when I suspect William probably married at Harwich. I have my William Gage Plampin baptised 14/2/1787 @ Harwich. He  married  a Sarah which I suspected may have been at Harwich as their first William was born 22/6/1811 and buried 24/6/1811 there. They then appear to leave Harwich and went to Colchester where Williams wife Sarah died. He remarried shortly afterwards to a Sarah Gage who I think could have been a cousin.

Regards BMG

[BMG]

Hi Bryant,

Have looked up my records regards the Plampins at Harwich.
Zachariah the father of William Gage Plampin married Mary Jennings at Harwich on the 10/2/1772. Mary was buried there on 3/9/1791. Zachariah then remarried to Mary Page at Harwich on the 18/6/1793. The problem I have found with the name Plampin that is has been spelt several ways or wrongly transcribed particularly on Ancestry. I have put corrections in where necessary. William Gage Plampin his wife Sarah and their daughter Mary can be found in the 1841 census at Fishmongers Alley Southwark. They lived in Southwark till sometime after 1861.

[Bryant]

In 1841 they are definitely spelt Plumpin.......living with Ruth and William Lloyd who originate from Wales

1841 Fishmonger Alley, St Saviour, Surrey
William Plumpin   55  j tailor    n (not born Surrey)
Alfred        "         14                n
Sarah        "         36                n
Mary          "         9                  n
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I don't see them in 1861.........where are they?

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Zachariah Plampin  son of Henry & Abigail....bapt 10 April 1698   Nayland, Suffolk
Zachary Plampin son of above bapt 24th June 1705   Nayland, Suffolk
Zachariah Plampin bap 25th May 1741 son of Zachariah (born 1698) & Mary.......Nayland
Zachariah Plampin bap 14th Aug 1748       "           "                "             "   (I assume that Zachariah born 1741 died?)........

Mary the daughter aged 9 in 1841 married Thomas Keylougher in the March qtr of 1849 Lambeth.....he must have died because she then marries Robert Gare in 1855 and you will see her in the 1861 census under that name .........born Colchester, Essex.....also with a son in law aged 11 William Keylougher........the family living with a George Claxton aged 63 born Westminster and his wife Sarah aged 50 born Deptford, Kent

Bryant

[BMG]

Hi Bryant.

Yes the first Zachariah died 7/3/1742 @ Nayland.

With regards to the Plampins there are several ways their names have been spelt but PLAMPIN is the correct version.

1841 census This is the Plampin family.

1851 William G Plampin was living at 155 Union St Southwark .

In 1861 William was living at 8 Henry (I think difficult to read) Place Southwark. The spelling for Harwich, his place of birth, has been wrongly indexed as Hucwich. Also living with them was their grandson Alfred Keylougher - the son of their daughter Mary Plampin (1841 census). Mary had by this time been widowed and had remarried to a man named Robert Gare. Alfred Keylougher and his brother Thomas took Robert Gare`s surname as their own. Thomas Keylougher is my g grandfather hence I am a  Gare not a Keylougher because of this name change! (I think Keylougher is probably a corruption of Kelleher).

In 1871 Sarah was widowed and living with her widowed son Alfred as his housekeeper looking after his 9 children that we know of. Alfred himself died in 1875. Sarah is noted on the census record as being deaf. They were living at 39 Southgate St Bury St Edmunds. Alfreds wife (this his second the first having died 2 years after their marriage) died in 1870 the year their last child Flora was born.
Flora and her sister Ada were sent to an orphanage in Bristol
and the rest seem to have gone all over the place.

Am still trying to identify the first wife of William Gage Plampin ie the first Sarah but am I correct in saying you have no record of such a marriage at Harwich?

Regards BMG

[Bryant]

Hello BMG

Its the name Gage that intrigues me........it doesn't take a lot to turn it into George! bad handwriting would do it........then again if it is Gage it could well be the name of his spouse, the surname included to denote children bore by her as opposed to other children he may have...........their are plenty of Gage's in that part of Essex in 1841......

Having read your post again you seem unsure that Sarah is the wife of William, is that because she isn't mentioned on the baptism of William in 1811 (William aged 28 appears to be living in St Giles, Cripplegate, Middx with his wife Mary? aged 29 in 1841) and the only evidence you have is from the 1841 census? if that is the case and Sarah (from the 1841) knew how old she was.....we have a problem as she was 36 in the 1841 which would make her 7 when she had William Gage Pamplin in 1811............so, if Sarah as seen in 1841 is William's wife or partner and not his sister? he has been married before?

Unfortunately.......I can't see the 1851 (not available to me).......Is Sarah no longer around? as she doesn't appear to have died under the name Sarah Plampin or any variants 1841-1861?
Their are 6 Sarah Plampin's that married between 1841-1856 Sudbury!

Their are two marriages of a George in what is now S.E. London
George Plampin in 1861 Lambeth.............is this George's father below?
George Plompin in 1839 Bermondsey........is this William's brother?

The only William's I can see are
William Plampin to Charlotte Strutt on the 13th Dec 1820 at Great Cornard, Suffolk.....living at Great Cornard in 1841
William Plampin to Esther Lee on the 28th Aug 1831 at Sudbury All Saints, Suffolk....an Esther Plampin aged 13 weeks was buried at All Saints Sudbury on the 29th Oct 1832, one imagines this is probably their first born child?

their is also a marriage of a
George Plampin to Maria Cook on the 25th Nov 1832......they were both of Ballingdon Parish and the marriage took place at Sudbury All Saints...........they are living in Sudbury, Essex in 1841


Here is the William that looks like the one? who was born/baptised in 1811
1841
New Union Street, St Giles without Cripplegate, London, Middx
David Jones   24   tailor    N
Harriet   "       22              Y
Harriet   "       2 months    Y
\
John Grieg     41  farrier    N
Ann      "        38               Y
Frederick Ratford  12         Y
\
William Plampin  28   tailor  N
Mary         "         29            N
\\
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*Are William & Mary around in 1851 as I don't see them in 1861?

Bryant

[BMG]

Hi Bryant.

The William to whom you are referring ie William and Mary Plampin - William born 1811 was the son of William Gage Plampin  and first wife Sarah surname unknown. She is the first wife of William Gage Plampin and I dont know her surname and don`t seem to be able to find it out at the moment.

His second wife was named Sarah Gage and I am happy about her lineage.

There is a very good reason why William b 1811 won`t be found in the  1861 census. It is because he was charged in 1851 of stealing 30lbs weight of gold dust from a train. He was actually convicted for receiving and sentenced to 10 years transportation. In 1851 he was living with Mary at 22 Earl St Shoreditch.

The Sudbury Plampins are no connection to my Plampins. All mine are traceable back to Nayland or Stoke by Nayland.

The name Gage is defintely Gage - it was the surname of William Gage Plampin`s grandmother. It crops up several times as the second forename.

William Gage Plampin died 1860 @ Lambeth. His wife Sarah obviously then came to BSE with her son Alfred.

If you don`t have Harwich marriage parish records I will send for fiche for the period relevant to William Gage Plampins first marriage ie circa 1810.

Regards BMG.