Pateley Bridge: monumental inscriptions

[beebee123]

Hello Nic, Pleased to hear from someone else with P.Bridge interests. I am currently behind with other promises of help mainly due to being pretty much snown in over the past month but I will add your enquiry to my list and come back to you as soon as possible - perhaps I can find some info at the museum for you.
Best wishes, Barbara.

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Hello Barbara, thankyou so much for your reply. Hope to hear from you soon, Nic

[Timbottawa]

Hi Nic, I know nothing about Pateley Bridge, which is why I appealed for help, and Barbara kindly replied.  However, from Google, I see that Colbeck House is currently the Masonic Lodge in Pateley Bridge - can't tell how long it has served in that function, although I note that the Lodge was "consecrated" in 1927, which suggests that the building probably served some other purpose in 1919.

I would imagine that if you were to contact the Free Masons, someone would know about the history of the building.  Are we allowed to post phone numbers on RootsChat?  Maybe not.  But if you Google "Colbeck House" and "Pateley Bridge" (with the inverted commas), about the 6th return should be Masonic Halls, where there is a phone number.

All the best
Tim

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Thanks Tim, I'll get onto that

speak soon, nic

[beebee123]

Belated Happy New Year, Tim,  We managed an afternoon at the cemetary, at last, yesterday but it wasn't very successful for your Noble reseach I'm afreaid.  Unfortunately there is no memorial stone on grave 471 - I felt quite disappointed - you get quite involved even in other peoples reseach! Little Dick Noble is buried in the consecrated vault section for children - which was common practice at that time and ofcourse not marked with any stone. I have also found a record of another child who is also buried in that same section - The records state:
Child of William Noble. Service Date: 4. Apl. 1884.   Date of death 00/00/00.   Age: 0yrs. 
Strange this is only a year after Dick - who may not be related. It's hardly likely he is the son of your William who would by 69 by 1884! Could they be sons of Jane? I thought the recorded date of death rather odd - presume it was stillborn? We did find a Noble memorial stone in the Cremated Remains Section 48 of the cemetary:
"Remembered with Love. /  Ernest Peter Noble  /  died 25th January 1998  /  Aged 76 yrs  /  In paradisum deducant angeli"   - does this mean anything to you? For info. I checked the records and his service was held on 29th July 1998.
I saw the man who had worked with your Boyle at Glasshouses Mill last week. Unfortunately his wife is ill in hospital at the moment but he says he will try sort me some information out at soon as his life gets back to norm and he has more time. Tim, I took photo of Ernest Peter's stone and will try attach it with one also of the cemetary, it's a beautiful place to be laid to rest. Sorry haven't managed to work the attachment out but if you send my a PM with your Email I will send images that way if you wish.
Best wishes. Barbara.

[Timbottawa]

Hi Barbara,

Thanks very much for your continuing efforts.  Firstly, I seem to have a lot of bad luck with memorial stones.  I know my grandparents' is missing from Harehills Cemetery, Leeds, and when I managed to track down a different set of great-grandparents in Scarborough, theirs was missing too.  Seems to run in the family!

I've now gone back to consult all my documents.  I suspect Dick Noble, who died aged 6 weeks in 1883, might have been a grandson of William.  William's son, George Edwin Noble, was living in Pateley Bridge, and had children who survived through to a census return in 1876, 1879, 1880, then 1885 - so that 5-year gap looks suggestive.

As for the baby who was probably stillborn (no birth registered for a Noble in Pateley Bridge in 1884), he might well have been a son of William, even though William was 69 at the time.  His first wife had died in 1882, and he re-married to a lady 30 years his junior, so she would have been only 39 in 1884.  Stranger things have happened.

I have no record of a George Ernest Noble, born around 1921, but I have not tried to trace all the Noble lines  George Edwin (see above) had a son, George, so George was something of a family name - but then again, it was so common at the time, that doesn't mean much!  When I have a spare moment (seemingly increasingly rare, these days), I shall see how the various Noble lines trace down through the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

Your contact with the gentleman who used to work at Boyle's mill, Glasshouses, is intriguing.  I certainly look forward to whatever he might be able to provide.

Thanks so much, again
Tim

[beebee123]

Hi Tim, How's the reseach going? I've just returned from another interesting three days in London with my daughter - Kew and London Metropolitan Archives -  my brain  is still reeling - so much to search and the time just flies!! I've still not heard from our Boyle/Fellbeck/Glasshouses gentleman - I think he's having a tough time at the mo with his wife's health so we must be patient.  However I was on FriendsReunited earlier (I don't do these chat sites generally but was looking for a Boroughbridge connection) I was amazed to see the Michael Boyle, son of the James Boyle of New Row, Boro'bridge, who I mentioned to you earlier. (Gosh he looks just like his father!!) Temptation got the better of me and I posted a bit of childhood memory- lane stuff to him and asked if his 'ears had been burning'(!!) mentioning your B.Bridge connection. I don't know if he will 'come back' to me or if he's interested in family history but it may be worthwhile you looking at the site, Tim. Just go to Friends Reunited (you'll have to register but it's free) If you put in 'Michael Boyle', of Ilkley, West Yorkshire, England, age over 60, click 'Search' and you should be able to scroll down the selection and find the one with Borobridge Primary School, Ripon Grammar School, and Leeds University. listed, There's a bit of chat about his family not being settled yet and how he had hoped to winter abroad, etc... (just so as you can identify him)   It may be worthwhile contacting him - I have suggested he may try contact you also, through RootsChat - hope that was OK. Just thought it may be of interest and he would also remember the old Miss Noble who I told you lived down the same street. (and if she was related to him or not)
Would be interested to know if anything comes of it and will contact you again if I hear more at this end. Regards, Barbara.

[Timbottawa]

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for continuing to think about my connections!  I will try to contact Michael, but it will probably have to wait a while - I am departing within the hour for the Solomon Islands, of all places!  Not sure how good the internet connection will be there.

I've been travelling non-stop for over a month now, so my research has stalled somewhat.

Have to rush - all the best
Tim

[madpants]

Hi Barbara
I've just found what I think are my Foggin/Sly families in Pateley in the mid to late 1700's. 

Would it be too much to ask if there are any of them buried there please?

John Foggin married Ann Sly in 1787 and they had 4 girls according to the IGI.
Ann Sly's parents were James Sly and Isabel Jackson.

I will understand if they have no stones, very few of mine ever have 

many thanks