hi littlewolf,,, thanks for your post,,, my shortman relatives originate from Westbury-on-Trym,, just a quick run down as my grandaughter is running riot around the house and i need peace and quiet to remember the right order of names.Frances Kate Shortman( my Great Grandmother ) born Shrewsbury about 1878, her father Thomas Shortman born Westbury on Trym about 1850, his father Edward Shortman born Westbury on trym about 1832, his father Thomas Shortman born Westbury on Trym about 1801, i think i got them in the right order. There are loads of offspring , some went to Australia, some went to Canada, hope this is the same relatives,,i do have some photos that i can scan and e- mail to you, just need to sort through them,,, best wishes, jean