Thomas Probert- Staunton

[Dannemois]

On the 1881 census for Gelligaer [RG11/5307/135/7] Thomas Probert was residing at 12 George Inn Row, Wid, 26, b. Staunton, Herefordshire.  Living with him was Catherine Probert, SI, 17, also b. Staunton.

Can someone please help locate them on the 1871 census.

Thanks in advance
Roy

[Dave Francis]

This looks like them...

1871 Staunton on Wye, Herefordshire
RG 10/2705 folio 64 page 16

William Young, head, 36, farmer 261 acres 3 men 2 boys
Mary do., wife, 30, farmer's wife
Elizabeth Johns, serv, unm, 16, domestic serv
Thomas Probert, serv, unm, 16, farm serv indoor
Thomas Herring, serv, unm, 15, do, Clifford Herefordshire

All born Staunton on Wye (except the last one, as shown)

1871 Staunton on Wye, Herefordshire
RG 10/2705 folio 63 page 14

"The Ridge"
William Probert, head, 50, ag lab, Whitney Herefordshire
Mary do., wife, 41
James do., son, 13, scholar
Katharine do., daur, 7, scholar
Mary A. do., daur, 4, scholar
Charles do., son, 10mo

All recorded as born in Staunton on Wye (except William, as shown)

[Jill Banana]

Dear Roy

Last night I found a message, (that I think was from you but I can't find it now) that you were intending to write a book about Brithdir.  I visited this village on Wednesday trying to track down where my ancestors lived.  Everyone was so helpful and whilst bemoaning the fact that there is never a 150 yr old around to discuss the past, I was told that the lady walking down the street was a very sprightly 93 year old lady.   It turned out that she  knew my Great Grandmother, recalling that she was a large lady who had a little husband and used to carry him home from the pub on occasions!  My Great Grandmother was called Martha Jane Miles nee Williams and married Theophilus Miles 26th June 1893.  Place of residence for her was Herbert Street (no number) and for him, just Brithdir.  However in the 1901 Census they were living at 18 Charles Street (confusingly said Gelligaer) which I discovered was in Brithdir.  They had many children and quite a few recorded as being born in Bedwellty, but now I think they probably were born in Brithdir, as the lady I spoke to wasn't born until 1915 and knew the family.   I can't seem to trace Martha Jane's Williams' family.  Witnesses at the wedding were John Williams (her father) and Selina Williams.  I'm being a bit lazy here, but wondered if you had any info on any Williams in the vicinity.

Kind regards

Jill

[Dannemois]

Hi Jill
I am indeed researching Brithdir with the aim of writing its history and I am gathering quite a collection of photographs and information.  What a shame you didn't make contact before Wednesday I could have met you there and shown you around.  I was raised in Brithdir and for half my time there lived at number 4 Charles St, in fact my mother [87] still lives there.

With regards to the village in 1901.  There were no fewer than 24 families living in the village with the head of household named Williams and that is not counting lodgers with the name of Williams.  There was 5 Williams families residing in Charles Street and I located a John & Seline Williams living at number 9 Charles Street.

9 Charles St
John Williams, HD, M, 38, Coal Hewer, b. Blaenavon, Mon
Seline, wife, M, 38. b. Blaenavon
Seline, daughter, 18. b. Blaenavon
Elizabeth, daug, 15. b. Blaenavon
Edwin, son, 10. b. Blaenavon
Rose, daug, 7. b. Blaenavon
John, son, 3, born Brithdir

I have Theophilus Miles & Martha in number 17 Charles St, they were the second family residing at that address, making 14 souls living in the one house. 

Do you have any photographs of Martha Jane & Theophilus? If so send me a copy and I will ask around for. 

Hope this has helped
Regards for now
Roy

[Jill Banana]

Dear Roy

Thank you so much for your information - what a help! 

I am planning to visit Wales again soon with my mother - we still have relations in Penrhyceiber and I will definitely take her around Brithdir.  I'll let you know dates when we have managed to sort our visit out.

I have pictures of Martha Jane Williams/Miles (she brought my Mum up).  So will email them over to you shortly.  (I have technological issues to take care of first)!

I think I made a typo .. Martha Jane and Theophilus married in 1893 not 1873.  I was so astounded to meet a lady who knew the family I forgot to ask if she knew my Grandmother Letty Miles, and her younger sister Cassie plus Willy John, Trevor, Thomas and Martha. 

Keep in touch.

Kind regards

Jill

[Dave Francis]

This looks like them...

1871 Staunton on Wye, Herefordshire
RG 10/2705 folio 64 page 16

William Young, head, 36, farmer 261 acres 3 men 2 boys
Mary do., wife, 30, farmer's wife
Elizabeth Johns, serv, unm, 16, domestic serv
Thomas Probert, serv, unm, 16, farm serv indoor
Thomas Herring, serv, unm, 15, do, Clifford Herefordshire

All born Staunton on Wye (except the last one, as shown)

1871 Staunton on Wye, Herefordshire
RG 10/2705 folio 63 page 14

"The Ridge"
William Probert, head, 50, ag lab, Whitney Herefordshire
Mary do., wife, 41
James do., son, 13, scholar
Katharine do., daur, 7, scholar
Mary A. do., daur, 4, scholar
Charles do., son, 10mo

All recorded as born in Staunton on Wye (except William, as shown)

A thank you would have been nice 

[Dannemois]

Hello Dave,
Humble apologises, I can't believe I didn't reply with a thank you, I was working rather late last night and I guess tiredness got the better of me, I would have got around to it though never fear.

Dave, many thanks, it is most appreciated

Roy

[Dannemois]

Hi Jill
Glad to be of help and pleased to hear you have a photograph, I can check if she is on any of the group photos I have on file. 

Keep in touch

regards
Roy

[Dannemois]

Jill

Just had a thought, did you get the name of the 93 year old lady you met?

Roy