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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #4: Esther Rantzen
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 04 September 08 20:31 BST (UK) »
I had a wonderful holiday in Ukraine this year, Glen. I was bowled over, particularly by Kiev.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #4: Esther Rantzen
« Reply #55 on: Thursday 04 September 08 20:32 BST (UK) »
On nearly every programme, there's a train journey as well. Watch for it!

And a taxi ride ;D  I shall start to make a checklist for the next programme   ;)


And tram rides when in Poland and (I think) Germany - to say "Hey! We're Abroad" to those who haven't been paying attention.
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #4: Esther Rantzen
« Reply #56 on: Thursday 04 September 08 20:36 BST (UK) »
Glen do you speak Ukrainian then?


Not any more, I just know a few words here and there. I've forgotten most of the Russian I learnt as well, much to my shame!  :-[

Its not a dissimilar language to Russian but with a softer, more melodic sound, without so much of the gutturality. The two peoples could communicate quite well I think, and I was always quite surprised to ask a question in Russian and then get the answer back in flowery Ukrainian!

I had a wonderful holiday in Ukraine this year, Glen. I was bowled over, particularly by Kiev.

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Yep, it'll probably always be my favouritist country after Sussex (the rest of England, is okay I suppose, but I wouldn't want to live there!  ;D)

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« Reply #57 on: Thursday 04 September 08 20:52 BST (UK) »
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #4: Esther Rantzen
« Reply #58 on: Thursday 04 September 08 21:56 BST (UK) »
It wasn't the most wonderful episode ever, but like them all it had its interesting moments.

My OH had a crooked solicitor in the family - I'd like to know who had suffered through Esther's gt grandfathers actions. In our case the ancestor's victims were often ordinary people with a little cash to invest to support themselves in the days before the Welfare State. Financial crimes DO have victims. The OH's ancestor was sentenced to life in prison and died there. I can't remember off hand, but until the second half of the C19th fraud was still a capitol offense.

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Re: WDYTYA Esther Rantzen
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 04 September 08 22:11 BST (UK) »
Montague Leverson ... was however on the 1900 I think as Montague K Leverson in  Brooklyn, New York described as Physician which is odd, but born England 1830 which is right - original could be R.

On the marriage certificate that Esther was looking at from when Montague was 82 years old, under occupation it said 'Doctor of Medicine', which nobody commented on at all. How did he go from being a solicitor to being a doctor? Was he actually qualified? I'd have been very interested to find out more about that.

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Re: WDYTYA Esther Rantzen
« Reply #60 on: Thursday 04 September 08 22:20 BST (UK) »
Montague Leverson ... was however on the 1900 I think as Montague K Leverson in  Brooklyn, New York described as Physician which is odd, but born England 1830 which is right - original could be R.

On the marriage certificate that Esther was looking at from when Montague was 82 years old, under occupation it said 'Doctor of Medicine', which nobody commented on at all. How did he go from being a solicitor to being a doctor? Was he actually qualified? I'd have been very interested to find out more about that.


I saw that too.

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #4: Esther Rantzen
« Reply #61 on: Thursday 04 September 08 23:27 BST (UK) »
A few minutes on Google brought up much interesting material on Esther's great-grandfather Montague Leverson.  He worked as a patent agent, wrote a textbook on copyright, and as a solicitor one of his articled clerks was Charles Bradlaugh, the first atheist MP in the British House of Commons.  In the USA, he seems to have had a very colourful life, and eventually he became a medical doctor, with a connection to the Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore.  He lived until the age of 95.  One of his daughters was the mother of composer Gerald Finzi.  In a recent biography of Finzi (Diana McVeagh's Gerald Finzi: His Life and Work, there's a footnote mentioning that one of Leverson's sons was Esther Rantzen's grandfather (Esther mentions this in an article in yesterday's Daily Mail, so I suspect that much of her family history on her mother's side was known to her already).

These programmes are obviously fully researched before the subject is filmed, and are presented in a slightly artificial way.  This week's programme seemed to be more artificial than most.  I thought that an opportunity was lost to examine more closely the different Jewish communities of 19th century London, as the Leverson side of the family was clearly comfortably off at a time when the Rantzen side was just beginning to emerge from poverty. 

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 5 Episode #4: Esther Rantzen
« Reply #62 on: Friday 05 September 08 00:06 BST (UK) »
These programmes are obviously fully researched before the subject is filmed, and are presented in a slightly artificial way.  This week's programme seemed to be more artificial than most.  I thought that an opportunity was lost to examine more closely the different Jewish communities of 19th century London, as the Leverson side of the family was clearly comfortably off at a time when the Rantzen side was just beginning to emerge from poverty. 

I agree entirely and after the research the programme makers must decide on what they think the public would find most iattractive etc. The accumulation of such wealth through diamonds - the biggest cheque ever written etc is a good story line and as we have said before they can't show everything.
I do think it's interesting but as others say perhaps misleading that those records are so 'readily' available when the celebrities travel abroad.
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