CARVER Ramblings Part 2

[Easby Carver]

Hi Janan,

via Ancestry.com I have scrutinized the New Zealand Death Index (1848-1964) and uncovered these:

George Carver (1880)
Lucy Carver (1902)
Albert Carver (1929)
Arthur Carver (1930)

These are all 'Wellington' entries.  In addition, there is an 1891 NZ marriage for a Jane Carver to a Walter James Bass and an NZ marriage of Albert Carver to Annie McCallum in 1899.   An 'Annie Carver' died in 1937 at Lower Hutt, which is also Wellington.

The 1878-79 Wise's New Zealand Post Office Directory lists at Abel Smith Street intersection, Wellington: George Carver, carpenter.

Finally, I also note that there is a Pancras, London death listed in 1872 for a Mary Turner of the right age to be Lucy Carver's (nee Turner) mother (she lived with them on the 1871 census), suggesting that any move to NZ by this family occurred some time between 1872-1878.

All this is circumstantial evidence as the current NZ records available are at the pointy end of brevity.  Is there anyone NZ way who can help out here?

Cheers,

Neil (Easby)

[janan]

Thanks for all this - looks highly likely you've found George and family who certainly disappear from UK records after the 1871 census. I found a probate record on Family Search for George Carver who died 1880  intestate affidavit by Lucy Carver - unfortunately I can only view the first image although there are supposed to be 5! Also one for Albert affidavit  Annie Carver and Lucy Marion Carver - again can only view the first image.

There are two cemetery records for Wellington on Ancestry for a Young George Carver and an Alfred George Carver - but I don't have access to the images.

I will post on the New Zealand board here and see if anyone can find anything else

Jan

[MaggieLou915]

Hi Janan

Good to hear from you.

New Zealand Cemetery Records      Wellington  Taita Cemetery  Public Burials, Volume 1:

Carver, Albert                      buried May 18, 1929    plot location      212      I     C.E.
Carver, Alfred George           buried June 2, 1943     plot location      24       16    C.E.
Carver, Ethel May                 buried Sept. 25, 1940  plot location          5      VI    Presb.
Carver, Marjorie Ethel           buried Oct. 13, 1941    plot location          5      VI    Presb.
Carver Young George            buried Jan. 16, 1965    plot location          5      VI    Presb.

New Zealand Birth Index

Young George Carver born  July - September 1878

New Zealand Marriage Index

Young George Carver married 1906 to Ethel May Fothergill

New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1853 - 1981

1935 Hutt, Wellington
Carver, Annie I.                   1 William St.                             Lower Hutt         Married
Carver Ethel May                 3 High St.                                 Lower Hutt         Spinster
Carver, Joyce Alice              3 High St.                                 Lower Hutt         Spinster
Carver, Lucy Marion           

[MaggieLou915]

Last post got away on me....

1935 Hutt Wellington
Carver Lucy Marion             1 William St.             Lower Hutt             Spinster
Carver, Young George         3 High St.                 Lower Hutt             Contractor

1938     Electoral Rolls        Hutt Wellington
Carver, Ethel May               125 Richmond St.            Petone              Married
Carver, Lucy Marion            1 William St.                   Lower Hutt        Spinster
Carver, Marjorie Ethel         125 Richmond St.            Petone              Spinster
Carver, Young George         125 Richmond St.            Petone              Contractor

1946 and 1949     Electoral Rolls        Petone Wellington
Carver, Lily Alexandria        61 Riddlers Cresc.            Petone              Married
Carver, Young George         61 Riddlers Cresc.            Petone              Contractor

1954     Electoral Rolls                       Petone, Wellington
Carver, Lily Alexandria        61 Riddlers Cresc.            Petone              Married
Carver, Young George         61 Riddlers Cresc.            Petone              Contractor

Take care

Marg

[janan]

Thanks Marg. Nice to hear from you again

So Young George Carver is likely a son of George and Lucy and  grandson of my ggg grandfather Young Carver.

Jan

[MaggieLou915]

Hi Jan

Just information I found yesterday, without actual certificates, possibilities. 

What can you tell me about Lucy Marion Carver?  Do you know the names of the children of George Carver and Lucy Turner?

Marg

[janan]

Hi Marg

As you say without certificates no proof but the name Young George makes it very likely he is a child of George and Lucy born after they emigrated, since George's father was called Young.

In 1871, their last sighting in England, they have Arthur 7, Albert 5 and Jane 4

I don't know who Lucy Marion is, there is a birth for her in Wellington, so, depending on when that was, she may be a daughter or sister to Albert perhaps? I might be able to find out more if Family Search would let be see beyond the first image of Albert's will! It's letting me today she is Albert and Annie's daughter. Albert is stated to have been born in London.

Jan

[MaggieLou915]

Hi Jan

I had something written out for you and I somehow lost it, but it had to do with the pages on Family History you have been able to get into today.

Did you notice the other two children, Clarice Lucretia Carver and Wallace Wheatley Albert Carver?  Lucy Marion was born April 7, 1902 and died June 24, 1986 and buried in Waikanae Cemetery, Wellington, Clarice Lucretia was born 1905 and died 1945, and Wallace Wheatley Albert was born June 9, 1907 and died 1998. 

There is site similar to the British BMD where you can get names, dates and registration number and then apply for a certificate.

Something else to think about.

All for now

Marg

[Easby Carver]

Hi Jan/Maggie

There's an ETHEL MAY FOTHERGILL on the Australian Birth Index (1788-1922) thus:

born 1880, Prahran, Victoria. (present day suburb of Melbourne, 5 kms from CBD).  Father: Joseph Wilson Fothergill.  Mother: Lucy Symons Cook.

If this person is one and the same who subsequently married Young George Carver in NZ, it would make her 26 at the marriage and two years younger than Young.

Cheers,

Neil. (Easby)