CARVER Ramblings Part 2

[Easby Carver]

YouTube videos exist:

One is tribute to Francisca Maria Darts by Douglas Justice, Associate Director and Curator of Collections, at UBC Botanical Garden...references Edwin, too. (3 mins 37).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViJM94cqE2Y

The second is a slide show re-composition set to music of Francisca's archive photos (with Edwin and some other family members as well, I guess) covering the development of Darts Hill Garden (11 mins 39).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxv3sMxzNkA

If you're into rhododendrons...

Neil (Easby).

[janan]

I believe Fanny Darts (sister and a cook) also went to Canada.

b. Oct 1867 Wrestlingworth; d. 21 Jul 1910 in Sardis, B.C.  Died as a 'Darts'. 

Cheers,

Neil (Easby)

Fanny Darts 34 Cook of Bedford, England heading for Nelson, BC arrived Quebec City  Oct 1902 on the Tunisian

[Easby Carver]

I nipped onto the Netherlands equivalent of ADC (scary - all in Dutch) to source Francisca's maiden name as the Canadian side of things has drawn a blank.  B:1916 Den Haag/The Hague.   No joy, though.

Neil (Easby)

[MaggieLou915]

Hello all

You have the correct Darts coming to Canada, specifically British Columbia.  I also have a contact here in B.C. who is a family member.  Right now I am unable to locate the name of my contact, so give me a few more days till I am a bit more mobile and I will send it to you.

Marg

[Easby Carver]

Hi All,

Apologies for diving about but the William Carver [Wm] who married Elizabeth Lawford [Eliz] at Sandy, Bedfordshire on 29th Oct 1693 - he's not on my radar.  Is he on anyone elses?   I ask because my general appreciation of the Wrestlingworth Carvers is that they drifted eastwards from Potton, i.e. from the general direction of Sandy. 

Any thoughts?  Or am I just opening up our familiar can of worms?

Neil (Easby)

[janan]

Hi Neil

As luck would have it this 2007 thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=267209.0

relates both to the drift from Potton and the William Carver who married Elizabeth Lawford in Sandy 1693 - no firm conclusions drawn about the latter but he might have been born in Old Warden in 1664 son of William Carver and Margaret Usher who married in Southill

Jan 

[Easby Carver]

So - it's deja-vu (all over again!)

Under the section marked 'news to me', this man I posit is my fourth cousin, one time removed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Carver

I think he's the son of Jesse Carver, b. Wrestlingworth 1876, d. Liverpool 1951; and Mary Hannah Carver nee Seanor (1878-1939).

Neil (Easby)

[Easby Carver]

Hi all,

I have developed a theory on Harriet Lydia Carver - see what you think.   

Harriet Lydia Carver was baptised at Wrestlingworth on 29 Oct 1854.   Only mother is stated - our hypothesis being it is Jane, who later married Joseph Gyue.  (Jane, daughter of Young & Mercy having been discounted)

There is a Henrietta Lydia Carver b abt 1854, b. Wrestlingworth (Wreskingworth) in the Stannington Reformatory, Northumberland on the 1871 census - this person is being discounted as a red herring.

I found a marriage of HARRIET LILIAN CARVER to JOHN BOWLER at Elstow, Bedford, 3 Oct 1881.  Others present: James Walten Carver; Charles Bowler.

1901 census: 6 Charlotte Street, St John, Preston,  - John Bowler, 44, 'groom (not domestic)', b Elstow, Beds; Harriet L, 44, b. Wrestlingworth, Beds; Isabella M, single, 18, daughter, cotton worker, b. Caterham, Surrey; Millicent E,, 15, daughter, cotton worker, b. Croydon, Surrey; Florence E., 13, daughter, ring spinner (cotton), b. Bourn, Cambridgeshire; Alberta E., 12, daughter,b. Bourn; Jessamine E H, 11, daughter, b. Cardington, Beds.

1911 census: 3 Disraeli Street, Preston, Lancs - Harriet Lilian Bowler, head, married (29 years), b. Wrestlingworth, Beds; Millicent Eva, 25, daughter, single, card room, cotton manufacturer, b. Croydon; Florence Ethel, 23, daughter, single, ring spinner, cotton manufacturer, b. Bourne, Cambs; Alberta Ellen, 22, daughter, single, ring spinner, b. Bourne; Jessamine Elizabeth Hilda, 21, daughter, single, cotton worker, b. Cardington, Beds; Gertrude Eliza Jane Bunyan, 17, single, niece, card room rover, b. Wrestlingworth.    6 children born, 5 still living.  John not present.

So, Harriet Bowler nee Carver and b. Wrestlingworth has her niece, Gertrude Bunyan [note ADC lists her as another Bowler], living with her in 1911.   If Harriet is the daughter of Jane Carver who went on to marry Joseph Gyue this makes sense because she would have a half-sister Fanny Gyue who went on to marry Arthur Bunyan in 1891.

To my mind this would all mostly fit if it was not for the 1854 baptism stating Harriet Lydia Carver rather than Harriet Lilian Carver - who becomes Harriet Bowler - and becomes the aunt of Gertrude Bunyan, who's mother was Fanny Gyue nee Carver and Harriet Lydia/Lilian Carver's sister.

Piece of cake, really. 

Although...

Easby (Neil)     

[Easby Carver]

Hi all,

Some more Canadian/American Carvers coming up.

I've been working on William Arthur Carver, son of Thomas Carver & Eliza Arnold and baptised in Cockayne Hatley in 1867.   I couldn't find out for a long time what happened to him but this is my theory based on the following evidence:

William married Kate Burke (b. Ireland) on 9th Nov. 1890 in Hunslet.  I think they had five children, Rose b. 1892 Hunslet; Arthur William b. 1894 Hunslet; Nellie b. 1896 Hunslet; Frank b. 1898 Leeds (baptism located) and  Gertrude b. 1901 Hunslet.

Frank I believe died in Bramley, aged 1, in Oct 1898, so does not appear on 1901 census.

On the 1901 census I can see William with his younger siblings and his own mother (now remarried to Thomas Dyson).  He is recorded as married - so where is Kate and the surviving four children?

I discovered the three eldest Hunslet-born Carver children in the Rothwell workhouse and the youngest (Gertrude, 3 mths) in the Hunslet Union workhouse.  [Note: I still have not definitively established that these workhouse Carver children belong to William & Kate]

A Kate Carver, was admitted to the Menston (north-west of Leeds) Lunatic Asylum on 14th Nov 1899 and discharged Christmas Day 1899.

A Kate Carver was admitted to the lunatic asylum on 23rd Apr 1901 and discharged again on 9th Apr 1902.

A Kate Carver was admitted to the lunatic asylum on 15th Jul 1902 and remained there until her death on 17th Jul 1907.

This scenario I believe provides a plausible explanation as to why the Carver children were in the workhouse and father William was living with his own family in 1901 - the wife and mother of his children being in and out of the lunatic asylum.

I do not have a death yet for William Arthur Carver but I think I know what happened to the remaining four children, the three oldest went to Canada whilst Gertrude died less than 1-yr old in Hunslet in late 1901.

Rose & Nellie Carver, aged 14 and 9, sailed on the same passage to Montreal from Liverpool arriving on 24th Jun 1906.  The ship was the Ionian and they travelled steerage class.  They are stated as coming from Yorkshire and their final destination is stated as Ottawa.

Rose and Nellie, still 14 and 9, then appear on the same page of the Index to Alien Arrivals from Canadian Atlantic and Pacific Seaports and with the same ref. no. 160, arriving at St Albans, Vermont, USA.

I have not found how Arthur reached Canada but there is a WW1 Canadian Army attestation record for him on 12th Sept 1916 at Valcartier Camp: Full name given: ARTHUR CARVER [no William], current address: Little Wood, St Lambert, Quebec; b. Leeds, England; next-of-kin Miss R Carver [Rose], Windsor Hotel, Cornwall, Ontario, SISTER.   DoB: 1 March 1894; Laborer; Single; served 2 mths previously with 38th Battalion, Ottawa.  Medical: 22 yrs 6 mths, 5 ft 4 in., Dark complexion, brown eyes, brown hair, Roman Catholic [does this come from his Irish mother?]

Arthur, with 'W' restored, is buried at Sarnia, Ontario in 1979.

Some questions:
Can anyone help definitively establish these children belong to William Arthur Carver & Kate Burke?

Presuming Rose, Arthur & Nellie were still institutionalised in 1906, would they have been 'farmed out' to Canada as they did orphaned/abandoned children to Australia - and how might this be proved?

What happened long-term to Rose and Nellie?  Nellie seems to have made subsequent crossings to and from England, as a domestic maid stating her permanent address to be in Canada, perhaps travelling with her employers.  Nellie always went steerage.

Finally, any flaws/holes/wrong turns in the evidence?

Cheers,

Neil (Easby)