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Researching army ancestors
« on: Tuesday 02 September 08 20:48 BST (UK) »
Am visiting Kew soon to try and trace several relatives that were in the army through WW1. Can anyone give me tips on how I can find information in the war diaries.
For example, I know my Grandfather was in the Leicester Regiment as I have a copy of his service record & medal card. I also know he was gassed and shot in his hand. How do I find which batallion he was in and where he went?

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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 September 08 21:00 BST (UK) »
Hello P-G,

The battalion(s) your Grandfather served in should be on his service record.
For the others you will have to extract them from the Medal Rolls when you get to Kew, if you have already found their MICs.
You should also be able to get the war diary references sorted out before you go by searching the NA Catalogue online.
Unless they were officers, it is rare to find individuals named in the war diaries.

What details do you have already by way of names, service numbers and regiments?

Phil
Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 September 08 21:42 BST (UK) »
my grandad was William Tyres, regiment no 16264
These are the details on his service record
Joined Leicester Regiment on 4/12/14
Depot
6th posted 16/12/14
Ex force France 29/7/15
wounded 25-27/9/16
Depot England posted 1/10/16
Discharged to Chelsea 10/3/17

I am also looking for William Bembridge, Leicester regiment 23051. Thomas Bembridge 57689, Lancashire Fuseliers, 1st/8th batalion, died on 29/9/1918. John William Everitt, 14014, Lincolnsire regiment, suffered a gun shot wound in April 1915.

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 September 08 22:25 BST (UK) »
You will need two war diaries to follow William Tyres movements as shortly before he was wounded the 6th Battalion was transferred from 37th Division to 21st Division.

WO 95/2530 covers July 1915 to June 1916 (37th Division)
WO 95/2164 covers July 1916 to March 1919 (21st Division)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/048e/

You will also find him on the Silver War Badge Rolls

Phil
Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 September 08 23:01 BST (UK) »
1/8 Lancashire Fusiliers were part of 42nd (East Lancashire) Division. They started in Gallipoli, moved to Egypt and then to the Western Front. Thomas Bembridge was not overseas before Jan 1916 (no Star on his medal index card), therefore not at Gallipoli. But not knowing his enlistment date, I can't tell you whether he was in Egypt or not.

These are the three diaries that cover the 1/8th's entire period overseas:

WO 95/4315; May 1915 to Dec 1915 (Gallipoli)
WO 95/4594; Jan 1916 to Feb 1917 (Egypt)
WO 95/2655; March 1917 to March 1919 (France, Belgium & Germany)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/048f/

Phil
Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 September 08 23:15 BST (UK) »
P-G,

Can you confirm John W Everitt's service number.
Is he Pte 14024, mistranscribed on Ancestry as being in the Leicestershire Regiment?
Forfeited his Star and had his SWB cancelled, but had both restored.

Phil
Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 September 08 18:54 BST (UK) »
There is a book published by Pen & Sword Books called 'The Tigers' which I think covers the 6th (and 3 other) battalions of the Leicesters. Richardson (I think) is the author.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 September 08 17:33 BST (UK) »
Phil

The John William Everitt I am interested in is the one you quote in you last message.


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« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 September 08 21:45 BST (UK) »
Hello P-G,

Having had a closer look, I'm beginning to think that there are two John Everitt, Pte 14024 in the Lincolnshire Regiment.

The one in the Ancestry Pension records, John William Everitt was born 1890 (?) in Stockingford, Warwickshire.
It looks like he was originally in the Leicesters, Pte 13677
Transferred to 3rd (Reserve) Bn Lincolns and posted to Grimsby.
I don't think he ever served overseas and a stamp on the Hospital Admissions sheet appears to be Cork, which would be consistent with the 3rd Bn moving there in 1918.

The second one, John W Everitt, whose medal index card I found, entered France on 4th May 1915. Unfortunately I can't match this with any of the Division embarkation dates, so I can't even guess which battalion he was in. It's a shame that his service record does not appear to have survived, because the information on his MIC is tantalisingly interesting.

Phil
Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk