1861 Grimstone

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Hi LINMACK,

I am sorry for the delay of 7-odd months since your post.  I have not looked at the Bateson line for a very long time, as I have been concentrating on other branches.

How exciting!  I had come across the landlord of the New Inn, in passing, when I first started researching the Batesons - but put him on the backburner.

The birth of another child around 1900 might explain why Alfred and Julia seem to be living apart according to the 1901 Census.

I'll P.M.

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Alfred Bateson married Julia Norman in Ipswich in 1877.  Julia was brought up by her grandparents, William Norman (b. c1797, Woolverstone, Suffolk) and Mary Ann Madder (b. c1805 East Bergholt, Suffolk).  Julia's mother was Jane Norman (b. 1841 Ipswich).  Julia was born in New Cut St Peter, Ipswich in 1858.  She was with her grandparents and Jane in 1861, at Station Road, Ipswich.  In 1871, she was with her grandparents in Chelmondiston, Suffolk.

All of Alfred's family that I have been able to trace, so far, had moved down to Plaistow by 1881 (apart from sister Charlotte, who was a lieutenant in the Salvation Army and was living in Camberwell).

By 1901, Julia and Alfred seemed to be living separately.  Julia was recorded as wife and working in a jam factory and was living with the children in North Woolwich.  Alfred was recorded as single, and was boarding with Edward Rickwood and Edward's sister (and, I assume, Alfred's future wife) Elizabeth Rickwood, not far away in "Tidal Basin".

Back in Grimston, in 1871 and 1861, the Bateson family (Alfred and his siblings, plus parents George Bateson and Maria nee Shinn) were living under the surname Birch/Burch!  They married (under the name of Bateson) in 1851.  Their children were registered as Bateson.  See Anjo's reply above (5.2.05). 

In 1851, Maria was single, and in Gayton Workhouse with two illegitimate children:  George (aged 6) and Elizabeth (aged 1).  I have found the birth in the Freebridge Lynn R.D. of Maria Elizabeth Batesend Shinn (March Q 1850).  The birth of a George Shinn was registered in Freebridge Lynn in the June Q of 1844.

I'm supposed to be doing the shopping, so I'll add references later.

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Here are the promised references.

1901 Census.

RG13/1607/62/29
52 Claremont St, North Woolwich

Julia is here, aged 45, a packer in a jam factory.  She is recorded as married and wife.  Children, Maud (10), Alfred (7) and Rose (4) were all born in North Woolwich.

RG13/1579/41/19
44 Chapel Street, Tidal Basin, Canning Town

Edward Rickwood, Head, Single, 32, General Labourer, b. Essex West Ham
Elizabeth Rickwood, Sister, Single, 30 b. do do
Clifford Wallace, Nephew, Single, 4, b. do do
Alfred Bateson, Boarder, Single, 40, General Labourer, b. Norfolk Grimstone

1891 Census
RG12/1323/27/48
137 New Barn Street, Canning Town
(occupying three rooms, thereof - there was another family, of 7, occupying the other three rooms)

Alfred Bateson, Head, M, 32, General Labourer, b. Norfolk Grimstone
Julia M do, Wife, M, 32, b. Suffolk Ipswich
Edith G do, Daur, 8, b. Canning Town
Mabel F do, Daur, 4, do
Maude do, Daur, 1, do

I have found Edward Rickwood and family (but not Elizabeth) in 1891 - still at 44 Chapel St - do you want the details?  Do you know the whereabout of Elizabeth Rickwood in 1891?

1881 Census
RG11/1713/54/85
15 Wilberforce St, Plaistow
(One of two families in the house)


Alfred Bateson, Head, M. 22, Carpenter's Labourer, b. Norfolk Grimstone
Julia Bateson, Wife, M, 22, b. Suffolk Ipswich

More tomorrow.
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Linmack,

I think I may have found the death registration for Julia:

Dec Qtr 1912   Bateson, Julia M. A.   Age 55   RD Whitechapel   Vol 1c Page 401

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1871 Census
RG10, Piece 1859, Folio 123, Page 8
Golston(?), Grimston

George Birch, Head, 42, Ag Lab, b. Norfolk Leziate
Maria do, Wife, 42, b. do Gayton
John do, Son, 18, Ag Lab. b. do Grimston
Matthew do, Son, 16, do do, b. do do
Alfred do, Son, 13, do do, b. do do
Charlotte do, Daur, 9, Scholar, b. do do
Maria do, do, 7, do, b. do do
Emily do, do, 4, b. do do

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1861 Census
Rg9, Piece 1251, Folio 132, Page 6
Potrow Road, Grimstone

George Birch, Head, 32, Ag lab, b. Grimstone Norfolk
Maria do, Wife, 32, b. Gayton do
George do, Son, 18 , Ag Lab, b. do do
Elizth do, Daur, 11, b. Grimstone do
John do, Son, 8, b, do
Matthew do, Son, 5, b. do
Alfred do, Son, 3, b. do

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1851 Census

HO107, Piece 1828, Folio 211, Pages 25/26
Freebridge Lynn (Gayton) Workhouse

Maria Shinn, Unmarried, 24, b. Gayton
George Shinn, Illegitimate, 6, b. Gayton
Elizabeth Shinn, Illegitimate, 1, Pauper, b. Gayton


HO107, Piece 1828, Folio 149 Page 2

Grimstone

Schedule 6

Maria Burch, Head, Widow, 45, Shoebinder, b. Norfolk Grimstone
Robert Bulding, Lodger, Unm, 27, Carpenter, b. do do

Schedule 7 (ie. next door)

William Fox, Head, Mar, 44, Shoemaker, b. do do
Sarah Ann do, Wife, 40, b. do Mumford
Mary Ann do, Daur, 14, Scholar, b. do Grimstone
Jane do, Daur, 8, do, b. do do
Caroline do, do, 6, b. do do
John do, Son, 4, b. do do
Emma do, Daur, 1, b. do do
George Burch, Lodger, Unmarried, 23, Agricultural Labourer, b. do do

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Maria Shinn and George Bateson married soon after - on 15th September 1851.  Curiously, George's surname was recorded as Beateson (Vol. 13, Page 215) and a father's name and trade were recorded.  This was corrected on 16th July 1891 - the spelling was changed to Bateson and the father's name and trade deleted "as G.B. was illegitimate and took his mothers name."  The name George Bateson has been squeezed into the marriage index (presumably in 1891) in Vol. 13, Page 214a.  Maria's father was recorded as Warner Shinn, Labourer.

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Back to George's mum, ten years later:

1861 Census
RG9, Piece 1251, Folio 118, Page 2
Potrow Road, Grimston

Robert Balding, Head, Unm, 40, Carpenter, b. Grimston Norfolk
Maria Birch, Unm, 50, Housekeeper, b. do do (no relationship to head given).

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