Halesworth - info required please

[LizzieW]

Some of my ancestors came from Halesworth and I will be visiting the area shortly and taking a trip to Halesworth.

I've been looking for a New Court and Mill Hill Street (Barrack Yard), but can only find New Cut on a map of Halesworth.  However, after looking at more census, it appears New Cut and New Court are the same place.  Mill Hill Street, appears to be the next place on the enumerators list.  Does anyone know if it is still there?  From the District 6 information on the 1871 census, it appears to be near to Bridge Street.

Also does anyone know if a place called Belvedere Cottage on Bungay Road is still there.  I don't think it was actually a cottage as it was a boy's school at one time with 12 boys in 1861.  Looking at the addresses of other places near to Belvedere Cottage, there was the Queens Head (New Inn), the railway station and the Brewers Arms.  Another website says that part of Bungay Road is now Station Road.

Lizzie

[walkerpete]

You will probably find this link of some use. It gives some of the places you seek and  mentions old street. Just us the arrows on left hand side of page

http://www.suffolkcamra.co.uk/pubs/pub/2770&listpubs=yes

Not sure if that's how to insert hyperlink!!!!

It is - hurrah!

Pete

[LizzieW]

Peter

That's great, thank you very much.  I wonder if other local Camra groups have done the same thing?  Off to see if Norfolk has.

Lizzie

[StewartA]

Lizzie,
I would like to know if you found anything more on Belvedere Cottage . My great grandfather Seymour Petre was listed on the 1861 Census also with his brother Arthur. The boys father  (my ggg grandfather)John Berney Petre of Westwick enrolled them. I plan to fly over this year.

Stewart

[LizzieW]

Hi Stewart

No we didn't find out anything more about Belvedere Cottage. 

We were not sure whether parts of Bungay Road had changed its name, because on the census, on the page before Belvedere Cottage, also on Bungay Road is schedule 178 Queens Head, New Inn, schedule 179 E.C.R.Station (which I think was East Coast Railway which changed its name to East Suffolk Railway), schedule 180 is Brewers Arms.  Belvedere Cottage is schedule no.183.  Now unless there were two stations in Halesworth and I can't find another one in the history of Halesworth, then the Railway is now on Station Road and the road is divided by the railway line and the junction is permanently closed off.  The New Inn is now the Conservative Club next to the station on Station Road.  The other side of the railway line is Bungay Road. 

So working from the station at 180 to Belvedere Cottage at 183, is should be just over the railway line on the right if you have your back to the railway line - if that makes sense.  We didn't have time to drive all the way round (we thought we'd be able to drive over the railway) but looking on Google street map, there is a new road coming in from the right and a roundabout, just about where Belvedere Cottage would have been.  There are modern properties around that area.  The oldest properties I can see around the area look to date from the Victorian era. 

If you go to http://www.halesworth.ws/museum/Economic%20&%20Social%20History%20of%20Halesworth.pdf you will be able to read all about the history of Halesworth.  On page 52, it states that the railway came to Halesworth in1854 but in 1859 a permanent station was built on Bungay Road.  Which ties in with what I said above.

On page 55 of the pdf there is an ordinance survey map of 1902 which shows one side of the railway as being on Station Road.  Unfortunately, Bungay Road is on the left hand edge of the map and only a small part is visible.  It just shows allotments.  I would love to print the pdf but as it has 75 pages, it's a bit impractical. 

There is a museum at Halesworth, which is next to the station (in the station yard), but unfortunately, it was closed the day we were in Halesworth.

I will try writing to the curator to see if he knows of any older maps of Halesworth showing Bungay Road in the 1850s/60s.

Interestingly on the 1871 census there is a William Bayes and family living at Belvedere Cottage which states that he is a farmer with 200 acres.  So maybe the allotments shown on the 1902 census were part of the original 200 acres. 

Lizzie

[Suffolk Mawther]

Note for Stewart - The parish of Halesworth comes under the Lowestoft branch of the Suffolk Record Office.  All records pertaining to Halesworth will be found there, although both Ipswich and Bury St Edmunds will also have parish records and census returns.

Pat ...

[The Yokel]

Hi

Not sure if Belvedere Cottage and Belvedere House are the same place.

If you go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html and search for Halesworth, then select the 1905 map.

Then enlarge the map and scroll north you can see Belvedere House marked on the junction of  Bungay Road and what is now Harrisons Lane.

A look at Google map shows a large white house with some outbuildings at the back.

regards
yokel

[LizzieW]

Hi Yokel

I don't think Belvedere House and Belvedere Cottage are the same place because as I mentioned in my reply to Stewart on the 1861  census Belvedere Cottage is very near to the station in Halesworth on the census, on the page before Belvedere Cottage, also on Bungay Road is schedule 178 Queens Head, New Inn, schedule 179 E.C.R.Station (which I think was East Coast Railway which changed its name to East Suffolk Railway), schedule 180 is Brewers Arms.  Belvedere Cottage is schedule no.183. On the 1871 census, Belvedere Cottage becomes Schedule No.1 but is still only a couple of schedule numbers away from the station.

I've looked at a modern map and working from the station along Bungay Road (the other side nearer to the town is now called Station Road) it seems that there is a new road and housing plus a roundabout somewhere near to where I think the Cottage would have been.  The other option, bearing in mind that in 1871 William Bayes, who lived at the cottage was a farmer with 200 acres, whereas the Cottage doesn't exist on 1881 census, is that the cottage and land was sold to enable the original Patrick Stead hospital to be built.

I had seen those Halesworth maps, but as the cottage seemed to have  disappeared by 1884, the earliest map available on the Old Maps website, they didn't help me.  Not only that, but the top of the 1884 map is below the station.

Lizzie

[StewartA]

Hello
I would assume by the response  I will not be able to find any further information on the school. If I could side track here I posted a message looking for any help on (Petre Family from Westwick) and have had people looking but no real reply. Can someone give me a hint to where I can start my search when I fly over this year to  find pictures of the Petre family or heirlooms I just have a hard time believing there is nothing left of this family besides the estate. Could someone please read my post and the story I have my heart into finding out all I can about my grandmother's family and try to understand how her father's father John Berney Petre could just cast off the children he had but still support them in secret. My other quest is to find out what is needed to have the records changed at the Norfolk National Archives as they state (John Berney Petre (1805-1882) had no issue) but he did and I'm living proof of this!
I'm I taking this too personal?
Administrative history:
There is a family tree of the Petre family in Norfolk Genealogy vol. 8. Westwick Hall came into the Petre family on the marriage of William Petre (d.1772) to Elizabeth, co-heir of John Berney of Westwick Hall. William's son, John Berney Petre (1741-1819) died unmarried and the property was bequeathed to his nephew, Jack Varlo (1773-1854), an army captain, who changed his name to Petre. His son, John Berney Petre (1805-1882) had no issue and Westwick Hall was passed to his niece, Mary Laura Duff (nee Dawkins) and then to her son, Captain Bernard James Duff. Both mother and son changed their names to Petre in 1882.
Thanks Anyone For Your Time ((Please read my My Grandmother's Laura Seymour (Petre) History Story to understand my passion in my quest)
Stewart